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Feb-22-2012 17:00TweetFollow @OregonNews Dioxin on the CarriersSalem-News.comThousands who served offshore Vietnam on all types of ships display the exact symptoms of diseases exhibited by veterans who had their "boots-on-ground."
(WASHINGTON DC) - Individual Exposure to Dioxin When the United States began using Chemical Warfare in Vietnam, its stated goals were to defoliate jungle coverage to better see the enemy and to limit the enemy’s food supply. All levels of Government Agencies claimed to be unaware of the cost in human death and misery that would result, especially within our own ranks. Unintended as that might have been, another unexpected consequence was that our Government would renege on its obligation to care for service-related injuries to its Armed Forces. This refusal to provide health care to some of the war-wounded continues today, nearly 40 years later. Certain American Vietnam veterans continue to suffer and die from dioxin-related diseases with no assistance from the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA). Yet health care and disability compensation is given to other Vietnam veterans with exactly the same medical conditions. A division in the ranks was created. According to the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA), there was no way for dioxin-based herbicide to travel from the land to aircraft carriers offshore. They have directed that all claims for contamination by herbicide exposure from personnel stationed on offshore vessels be denied service-connected benefits. The only exception is when an individual can prove through documentation having a direct (witnessed and verified) encounter with the herbicide. That exception rarely, if ever, occurs because that type documentation from that time period either no longer exists or is kept well hidden. Additionally, DVA has stated that no naval ships carried Agent Orange, the dioxin-based herbicide of interest.(1) This makes claims based on direct exposure from sea-based personal highly unlikely. Thousands of veterans who served offshore Vietnam as Navy, Coast Guard and Fleet Marine (Blue Water Navy) personnel on all types of ships display the exact symptoms of diseases exhibited by veterans who had their "boots-on-ground," meaning those who stood on solid land within the geographic boundaries of South Vietnam. The DVA acts as if it is mere coincidence that these two groups appear to be somehow related. And they have no logical, scientific or medical evidence to keep them separated. This distinction is beyond comprehension. The probability of that being pure coincidence is Zero. Nowhere else in the world did other human populations break out with or later develop symptoms of these same diseases during that time, nor have they since. A few individuals related to the war effort in locations where Agent Orange was tested or was being actively used or stored came down with identical maladies. The presence of Agent Orange is the common factor. Beyond ProbabilityDioxin-based herbicide intended to be sprayed on the land mass of South Vietnam traveled out to the Naval ships offshore. The probability that dioxin was present aboard the aircraft carriers is beyond question. It is a certainty. Those service members who had boots-on ground are receiving their benefits under the rule of presumptive exposure, which only requires their presence anywhere on the land mass of Vietnam at any time between January 9, 1962 and May 7, 1975. They are not required to show any proof of herbicide exposure. Their Blue Water Navy counterparts are presumed to be free of contamination regardless of their location. The presumption of exposure was originally given to all members of the Armed Forces who fought in the Vietnam War, including those who served offshore, under the provisions of the Agent Orange Act of 1991.(2) The DVA stripped that right from anyone not able to prove boots-on-ground, including those in the bays, ports and harbors. The Facts as We Know ThemWhat this current report clearly shows is that those who served on aircraft carriers were exposed to dioxin-based herbicides brought to their ships via the aircraft and should be afforded the same presumption of exposure under the same conditions as given to those with boots-on-ground. There are several basic facts that are currently known about this time period (1962 to 1975) and events that occurred in South Vietnam: - We know that the phenomenon of "spray drift" occurred, and was often visible as mist clouds of the spray that stayed airborne for relatively long periods of time;(3) - We know there are reports that the volatilization or vaporization of 2,4,5T, a component of Agent Orange which contained the highest levels of TCDD /Dioxin), was very high whenever it was open to the air;(4) - We know that large patches of jungle, including areas that had been sprayed with Agent Orange, were burned with incendiary munitions and that the burning carried particulate matter previously saturated with Agent Orange high into the atmosphere;(5) - We know that heat amplifies the toxicity of dioxin;(6) - We know that combat aircraft from offshore carriers flew thousands of sorties though the described atmospheric conditions at relatively low altitudes, in humid conditions, during the course of the war when Agent Orange was actively being sprayed (1962-1972) and in the years to follow (1972-1975). (7) Based upon the principles of Newtonian physics, we believe such contamination to be a certainty -- beyond question. We are stating that dioxin molecules and aerosols, alone or attached to other particles, stuck to the outer skin of aircraft because of static charge and were carried back to the aircraft carriers, where they were rubbed into the skin and clothing of the aircraft maintenance deck force and otherwise spread to additional members of the crew by various means, including: - Clothing that shared communal laundry facilities; - Fresh water wash-downs of the airplanes which added the dioxin to mists that were inhaled, absorbed through the skin, otherwise ingested by the crew, or settled onto the deck and superstructure; - Salt water flight deck wash-downs which pushed the residuals of dioxin overboard, only to be sucked up by the intake system for fresh water distillation for that carrier or for any ships following and which made the dioxin airborne once again. In addition to transport via the static charge attraction to the airplanes, we know that the Agent Orange was mixed at 50%-50% of chemical and fuel oil prior to its being sprayed. Fuel oil is sticky as are other petrochemicals which the airplane encountered during flight including fluids that leaked and exhaust of other aircraft in their flight groups. These oils and “oily substances” were on virtually every returning aircraft.(8) What it Means...The DVA is playing by the rules when it assigns the presumption of herbicide exposure to personnel who served with boots-on-ground in Vietnam. When it comes to personnel who served in the waters offshore, however, they completely change the rules of the game. They remove the concept of presumptive exposure and require a rigid level of "proof of exposure," despite a long history of conclusions that obtaining such proof is virtually impossible. DVA’s disingenuous stance on suspending presumptive exposure flies in the face of medical, scientific and historical data, all pointing to justification for the inclusion of Navy, Coast Guard and Fleet Marines who spent time in the Theater of Combat on all types of vessels off the coast of Vietnam. Carrier-based aircraft had no option but to return to their ships bearing contaminated particles from South Vietnam’s toxic atmosphere. BACKGROUND AND SOURCE DETAILSSurrounded by Particles Our atmosphere is made up of many tiny particles, including molecules of various gases that we humans require to live: oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, methane and several others. In fact, the density of these particles is extremely high, at about 10^18/cm^3 at sea level. That equals a million, million, million particles in every cubic centimeter. Additionally, our atmosphere is also filled with dust and dirt which are far less in size than a quarter the diameter of a human hair.(9) To continue reading, visit: Dioxin on the Carriers Part-2 Document by: Blue Water Navy Vietnam Veterans AssociationPO Box 1035 Littleton, CO 80160-1035 BlueWaterNavy.org February, 2012 Articles for February 21, 2012 | Articles for February 22, 2012 | Articles for February 23, 2012 | Support Salem-News.com: googlec507860f6901db00.html | |
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Joseph Burke March 2, 2021 10:03 am (Pacific time)
I was on the USS Oriskany CVA 34 in May and June 1965. In 2020, I had severe pain every day in 12 different body symptoms and Blue Water Navy says I never got Agent Orange. It has taken 14 months to tell me their side of guilt which is zero. Still waiting for their last letter to say they will not settle for any amount. Then have to go to step 2. The VA Hospital says they cannot help me for the pain.
Don Brown email 321donbrown@att.net August 7, 2015 10:17 am (Pacific time)
Barbara: US Navy 62 to 66, two years off coast of South Vietnam. Your stateside duty, was it Shore or Sea Duty? Congress & VA ignore fact ships with incinerators are still dumping DIOXIN (TCDD 2,3,7,8) on their ship mates. US Carriers operate 3 (three) incinerators 24/7. Sailors are prisoners of environment THEY MAKE and WHAT BLOWS THEIR WAY! (search: "Shipboard Pollution Control: U.S. Navy Compliance with MARPOL Annex V (1966)", esp. ch. 3 pg. 23.
Barbara Schratz June 7, 2015 6:38 pm (Pacific time)
My two brothers as well as myself were in the Navy during the Vietnam War. My brothers were on board the USS Ticonderoga. I was state side. My older brother passed away last February of complications of Agent Orange. He reenlisted into the SeaBees. My younger brother remained onboard the Ticonderoga. He has had Prostate Cancer and Diabetes. I've lost one brother to this agent and don't want to lose another. Please continue to push for their rights to be recognized as victims of this war. Thank you, Barbara Schratz
Curious mind July 9, 2013 11:47 am (Pacific time)
Why hasn't anyone questioned the fact that the people in Vietnam, who have literally breathed, drank, and lived in herbicide sprayed areas for decade, have one of the lowest incidence of type II diabetes mellitus. That undisputed fact seems to rebut any argument that herbicide/agent orange causes diabetes.
Ed Sandoval March 13, 2012 10:39 am (Pacific time)
It is about time for the dva to finally admit it has made a mistake in seperating bwn from the possibility of presumptive sicknesses obtained from agent orange. And the way bwn is being treated is a sin. I am tired of hearing but your not service connected. q
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