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Jan-10-2008 05:34printcomments

Are Hillary's Tears a Performance or Reality?

Hillary represents sensitivity as her eyes well up during a recent speech, but are the skeletons in her closet going to rattle?

Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton
Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton
Photo courtesy: fiveanddime.net

(DOYLESTOWN, Penn.) - It amazes us about how much talk there is concerning Senator Clinton’s welling up and display of emotion. I was touched by it also. However, we must understand, that this election is not about personal achievements or about simply getting a woman into the White house as President. It is about the horrific state of the nation and foreign relations.

Good wage jobs are more scarce and the divide between rich and poor ever greater. John Edwards said it best and to paraphrase him, "No matter the outcome of the primary, all of the candidates will continue to live very comfortable lives."

No matter what, Hillary will continue to live a very comfortable and cushy lifestyle. During the Clinton years, they constantly reminded us–putting it in our face really about how good the economy was–good for whom?!

Importantly, in case you’ve forgotten, President Clinton pardoned Marc Rich. You might also remember Rich’s Attorney Scooter Libby? Here are a few excerpts to either enlighten or refresh your memory:

The Denise Rich Connection

Marc Rich's socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to Democratic causes, including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton's successful Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund. She also lobbied heavily for Marc's pardon.

Investigators want to know if Denise's contributions led to a direct quid pro quo exchange for her ex-husband's pardon. Clinton has denied any connection, saying he relied solely on the information provided by Jack Quinn (former White House counsel and Rich's current lawyer) when he was weighing the pardon request: time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99302,00.html

Clinton's Marc Rich pardon

On top of that, Weinberg alleges, Rich bought crude oil from the Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran while Iran was holding U.S. citizens hostage. This was in direct violation of a U.S. trade embargo -- and, in effect, helped to arm the Iranians by giving them needed cash.

Bring all of these activities together into a concerted effort to make illegal profits, and you've got what the prosecutor called racketeering -- violating federal criminal statutes designed for busting the Mafia: worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21595

Marc Rich's deals with Nigeria's Oil

Having stated those basic facts, let's proceed to tackle the Marc Rich issue as it pertains our community. Why is Marc Rich, former President Bill Clinton's January 2001 pardonee and fugitive from the laws of the United States of any significant interest to Nigerians, continental Africans and African-Americans and other Americans who do business with Africans?

First, it is important to examine his consistent and self-serving efforts to undermine pan-African interests in the decolonization of the continent.

Second, Mr. Rich's ignoble support for the apartheid regime in South Africa places his aggressive business legacy on the wrong side of history. Speaking of legacies, I really doubt that Rich really cares about more than making big bucks, here and there.

Third, our community and readers should know about the millions of unpaid royalties and misleading declarations he made in the Nigerian oil and gas business through his numerous deals with soldier-businessmen-politicians who ran Nigeria into an economic stupor.


Fourth, he has been a key player for well more than 25 years in Nigeria's export of its crude oil. He is not your garden-variety businessman. In fact, at certain points in Nigeria's recent economic history, Marc Rich has been the kingpin: usafricaonline.com/marcrich.chido.html

Remember that the illegal war is draining the nation’s resources. Hillary did not do her homework and voted for it and gives no end time frame. We’re not appointing glamour figure heads–we need people who can do the vital research, study, and know what the hell’s going on.

Repeatedly, we contacted her showing the intelligence leading up to the war on terror was utterly cooked up--flawed. Repeatedly, we continue to disclose more information about 9/11 that is vital to our nation’s security. Yet, no one listens and most certainly, we do not hear Hillary talking about it. Remember that she continues to give the Bush administration the green light. She wants to give former presidents Clinton and Bush assignments? Maybe when she takes office, they’ll pardon the entire Bush Administration. No . . . we want total change.

For the most part, the rest of the world has voted in liberal governments and pulled out of Iraq. The rest of the world was first in protecting the environment and the standards in fuel efficiency exceeds ours by far. When will the troops come home if Hillary is elected? When will this massive expense (much of it wasted or stolen) end? Ron Paul said: It’s costing the U.S. $1 trillion per year to keep forces deployed globally." Now, think of the good a trillion per year could do for Americans here in the U.S.

The numbers and possibilities are staggering. Given all those facts, who is better suited to handle the nation’s foreign policy?

While I empathized with Hillary’s personal disappointment, the issues and troubles facing this nation are far too serious. Think of those who cried during the "boom economy" that didn’t include them. Think of the others crying here in the U.S. and around the world.

Think of the cries because of the death of loved ones; the torture, pain, burns, homes destroyed, and the refugees all caused by the war she voted for. The following video shows others crying because of Clinton's blind support for something so greatly serious as war. No–its not her to blame alone, but she did vote for the war and her alliances are greatly disturbing to us.

The video below of Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton comes to you courtesy of ABC News and YouTube:

One of the more active people today in the world of Internet blogging, Frank Nieves is a former resident of Salem, Oregon. He lived in the capitol city from November 1998 to July 2006, and resides today in Doylestown, Pennsylvania. Frank first became affiliated with Salem-News.com a few months ago when he contacted us over one of our published stories. Since that time he has steadily contributed a flow of information and leads that have helped a number of our stories get off the ground. Frank Nieves is tuned into the current political scene and we are glad to publish his work here on Salem-News.com. If you would like to send Frank Nieves an email, you can reach him at this address: frank1957nieves@gmail.com




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Jefferson January 13, 2008 6:32 pm (Pacific time)

Vic you think Feldman finds the murder of our sailors more relevant than the few Israli athletes who were killed in Munich around the same time period? Do you wonder why film-makers like Spielberg have not made a movie about the USS Liberty war crime? All those Americans killed and wounded, plus the ship's captain gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, but not at the Whitehouse from LBJ, but at a shipyard by a one-star admiral. So what is more relevant to American culture: The Liberty or the movie Munich? How about Raid On Entebbe? Yes I'm sure feldman is real concerned about this injustice! Just like the film-makers are! Times may be a changing...


Henry Ruark January 12, 2008 6:09 am (Pacific time)

To all: See open invitation to N-N and his cabal as Comment under Kerry story. No "confrontation" intended, only honest invitation for a real dialog, once tree-sniper comes out from behind concealment...which has been only issue here all along. IF anyone doubts sincerity of invitation, come and check for yourselves; street address is easy to dig up via Internet and I truly welcome anyone for such dialog...just leave any impale-stake elsewhere, or you might have small trouble with my very large, usually present friends. Point of my comment here is simply to prove up "with own eyes" the end-outcome of all such dialog with the current neocons...return to violence or threat of it as their only answer...a la Bush and Plame.


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 9:44 pm (Pacific time)

Jefferson - I do not call you anti-Semitic because of your myopic obsession with the USS Liberty incident. I point out your idiocy, ignorance, dishonesty, inconsistency and hypocrisy regarding it and your other comments. From your various ravings it would not surprise me in the least if you were in fact an anti-Semite. But that is hardly needed to discredit your drooling spews here. You are quite well self-discrediting. All that is required is to continue to point out your moronic missives for what they are... neocon propaganda, disinformation, distraction and lies. And you just hate us for the ease in which we expose your BS. Your seething anger can almost be felt from your text. List like my amusement at your pathetic and feeble antics can be seen clearly in my own. Something else that clearly enrages you further... another bonus for me and thinking folks everywhere. Ah well...


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 9:38 pm (Pacific time)

Vic - I'm not saying that the events of the USS Liberty were good... just in context of today entirely irrelevant. In comparison the event in FL of 2000 have had disastrous effects in the context of today. As for the pardon of Rich connected folks get off all the time. A flaw in the system. But as you point out his crimes are entirely insignificant compared to those of Shrub, Cheney and Co that neocon propagandists such as Jefferson promote. Heck, he even calls convicted criminal Oliver North who violated his oath of service and congressionally passed (and signed into law) statutes in the Iran-Contragate scandal a 'hero'. Clearly myopiv neocon wingnuts sure do have a distinctly different definition of 'hero' than I (or most folks) do. Ah well...


Jefferson January 11, 2008 6:03 pm (Pacific time)

Vic, well at least I see you can provide a reasonable assessment re: the USS Liberty. feldman on the other hand, as with many of his ilk, will simply diminish criminal acts like this (Rich, Pollard, Rosenbergs, etc.), or a much more common tactic, call one anti-Semetic, just by stating historical facts...I would remind you of the story "Cry Wolf" (the people wise up to "them topic changers") for it has always happened to these types in the past as it will again within 18 months. Adios, I am off to be with some old military professionals, hope to see Henry/SFI there, but he won't show for obvious reasons...Texas Hold'em SFI! The thing is we all have a "read on you" and little "Dumbest"...real easy read that one!


Henry Ruark January 11, 2008 4:53 pm (Pacific time)

To all: What separates most Comments here from some others is the obvious good will and good faith to share with others something learned and valuable in the view of the sharer. "Jefferson" and some few others have clearly obvious contempt for such normal, natural dialog situations,seek to ridicule both the situation and the Commenteers, thus forcing reduction to lowest common action by all so attacked, since "victory" for them is to defeat ongoing dialog, in any way possible. "Hiding behind tree" and sniping is simplest of many such techniques, now part of ongoing resurrection of GOP "noise machine" proven to be effective over the years, setting up desperate attacks now on open channels across nation since neocons have reason to feel winds of war about to blow them away.


Vic January 11, 2008 4:01 pm (Pacific time)

I wouldn't consider the killing of 34 US sailors by Israeli warplanes an "irrelevant historical event". Nor do I consider the pardoning of Marc Rich for unpaid billions in taxes irrelevant. I usually never agree with Jefferson, but in this case, I believe he is pointing out how the Clintons sold out our country. (Or in the case of the USS Liberty, Lyndon Johnson) Bush is still the top turd tho, in my book.


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 3:26 pm (Pacific time)

Jefferson - Most people in the US and elsewhere, Jews and non alike, are not obsessed with irrelevant historical events as you are that have nothing to do with things currently and never will no matter how long and loud you shrilly shriek about it. You just continue to highlight yourself as a deluded and unhinged wingnut. Ah well...


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 3:23 pm (Pacific time)

Anne - First off you clearly do not understand the words I used. He does what you *falsely* accuse me of doing. . There is an enormous difference between what I do (speaking honestly and accurately even when doing so is not complimentary to the subject) and what he does (fabrications, lies, ignorance dressed in sophistry and outright name-calling from a position of cowardice without a shred of legitimacy to support any of it). So I guess it remains to be seen if you lack the wit to be able to comprehend the difference. As for my comments in the comments section again as I've stated before, and you for some reason seem ill-equipped to comprehend, in the comments section I am the same as any other poster. The site is reflected by my articles not what I might say in the comments area which are far more my personal viewpoints. But your name is raised as you are one who consistently models the inconsistency I point out by use of your name... in other words your name is becoming synonymous with such glaring one-sided inconsistency. So be flattered or not. I. for one, would not be flattered by being known for such but that is just me I guess. Point is if you are going to try and fault someone for something try faulting all who qualify... but first you really should make at least a bit of an effort (which you clearly have failed to do) at accuracy. (again see earlier regerences to your lack of apparent comprehension on specific points). Ah well...


Jefferson January 11, 2008 2:52 pm (Pacific time)

Frank the tag team duo of "dumbest and dumbest" will always try to change topics that expose their vulnerability. My question, below still stands, can you respond, or have you already gotten the data and have become absolutely shocked with the results!?


Anne January 11, 2008 1:37 pm (Pacific time)

Neal says "But still noting the absolute lack of the likes of Anne and the other pedantic inconsistanr whiners aiming their complaints at your clearly flagrant name-calling, dishonesty etc all the while shrilly shrieking that accurate honest description and expression of the truth is somehow 'name-calling' because accurate description of the likes of you and your fellow travelers is rarely if ever complimentary." Boy, flattered that I made such an impression that you continue to name drop me in so many conversations that I haven't participated in. You'll notice however that I have never endorsed Jefferson's style, as I will agree with you (gasp) that he's fallen into the same childish behavior you're frequently guilty of and just so thoroughly described. The big difference is that you are directly affiliated with this site as a member of the staff, he just happens to be here to comment. His behavior reflects poorly on himself, which while sad, doesn't concern me much. You on the other hand drag this whole news entity down with you.


Henry Ruark January 11, 2008 12:43 pm (Pacific time)

To all: "...tag team of him and the other shorty wimpish dolt sure are predictable to me." By now uncalled-for and unnecessary vilification sure to be encountered from POM, so this simply provides ongoing proof of continuing strong attitudinal addiction to that vituperative response-pattern, typical of several kinds of mental deterioration...here underway simultaneously.


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 12:22 pm (Pacific time)

Jefferson - Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. I am certain those like you desperately want everyone to forget the national crime of stealing a presidential election committed in 2000 by Shrub and Co with the neocon right wing. But it will never be forgotten so that it is never allowed to be repeated. The fact that Shrub's is the most criminal, most corrupt and most failed presidency this nation has ever seen will be further evidence why elections should not be allowed to be stolen (especially in such a blatant manner). You just cannot escape that. And behind the curve? You are so deep in the twilight zone of your own delusional propaganda you don't even know where the curve IS! LOL! Ah well...


Jefferson January 11, 2008 12:17 pm (Pacific time)

Frank your source is really not the most reliable, but I pretty much know that won't make any difference to the lefty's...


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 12:16 pm (Pacific time)

Jefferson - "shorty wimpish dolt"? You are projecting again, I see. But still noting the absolute lack of the likes of Anne and the other pedantic inconsistanr whiners aiming their complaints at your clearly flagrant name-calling, dishonesty etc all the while shrilly shrieking that accurate honest description and expression of the truth is somehow 'name-calling' because accurate description of the likes of you and your fellow travelers is rarely if ever complimentary. Rant on, you just continue to prove me right every time you post. Ah well...


Jefferson January 11, 2008 12:13 pm (Pacific time)

Frank then why don't American jews demand that we stop all funding to Israel...get Feinstein, Boxer, Schumer, Wyden, Levin, etc., etc, to put up a bill to do this! As long as you are doing some research why don't you do a racial/ethnic breakdown of those who served in combat roles ("combat" being the operative word)going back to the Korean war to the present. Also compare and contrast killed/wounded and give a racial/ethnic ratio. These are simply objective facts, now who would have a problem with that?! Talk's cheap Frank, find out who the real patriots are and who are those that live off the blood and sacrifice of others.


Henry Ruark January 11, 2008 11:42 am (Pacific time)

To all: POM taking to "lie in teeth" response, as in statement re my belief readership unable to think independently...which negates my constant use of "see with own eyes" and then "use own brain" in evaluating links, sources, and Op Eds. One more obvious reversal of reality, which is in itself symptom of radically increasing deterioration, now becoming harder to overlook with each muddled response; note also depth, detail and detachment from realities in each and every one...


Frank January 11, 2008 11:08 am (Pacific time)

It's not about race or gender really. It's about the warlords, treason, greed, and corruption. I want to share this piece with you: Wednesday December 12, 2007 06:36 EST New poll reveals how unrepresentative neocon Jewish groups are (updated below - Update II) A new survey of American Jewish opinion, released by the American Jewish Committee, demonstrates several important propositions: (1) right-wing neocons (the Bill Kristol/Commentary/ AIPAC/Marty Peretz faction) who relentlessly claim to speak for Israel and for Jews generally hold views that are shared only by a small minority of American Jews; (2) viewpoints that are routinely demonized as reflective of animus towards Israel or even anti-Semitism are ones that are held by large majorities of American Jews; and (3) most American Jews oppose U.S. military action in the Middle East -- including both in Iraq and against Iran. It is beyond dispute that American Jews overwhelmingly oppose core neoconservative foreign policy principles. Hence, in large numbers, they disapprove of the way the U.S. is handling its "campaign against terrorism" (59-31); overwhelmingly believe the U.S. should have stayed out of Iraq (67-27); believe that things are going "somewhat badly" or "very badly" in Iraq (76-23); and believe that the "surge" has either made things worse or has had no impact (68-30). More: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/12/12/ajc_poll/


Jefferson January 11, 2008 10:12 am (Pacific time)

Jason, Henry/SDI obviously thinks people on this site cannot think independently, and for some he is right on. The tag team of him and the other shorty wimpish dolt sure are predictable to me... I see one poster on this site continues to support people like convicted criminal Rich ,traitor Kerry-Kohn, by omission the murder of dozens of Americans by the war criminal state of Israel, the spy Pollard, the spy's Rosenberg's, ad nauseum...someone see a pattern here? You keep arguing the 2000 election feldman, it just demonstrates that you will always be behind the curve. Kinda of a lifelong reality huh?! I use to not care, but I really feel sorry for you, I really do youngster.


Jefferson January 11, 2008 9:06 am (Pacific time)

Matt one more thing regarding your 11:57 post: If those who don't plan on voting for Obama are "racist" in your viewpoint, then would the tens of millions (over 50% of the voters; and, can you tell me the last time a democrat president got over 50% of the vote?LOL) who did not vote for traitor Kerry be anti-Semite? Maybe Henry/SFI will chime in about his "real" ancestory? Mathew to call someone names just because they have a different perspective is something a child would do or maybe some demented geriatric case. You make some really valid posts, I just hate to see someone with your obvious smarts demean yourself as SDI does. It really hurts me to the core...


Henry Ruark January 11, 2008 6:51 am (Pacific time)

Jason: Re N-N post/mentioned, in Kerry story: Jefferson January 10, 2008 11:39 am (Pacific time) "Poor Obama, he just lost with this endorsement (bottom lip protruding)." SO happens that's coded language precisely as I described it there, and point out to you now. Tht's entirely legitimate concern here, which is why I shared it, from journalistic phase of own "checkered career". Would you et al have known that fact, if I had not done so ? Matt's open,honest response refers to reality of ONLY two parties in politics here, in no way relies on full allegiance to party, leaves open possibility for partial or even opposing views, while sensitive to same overriding feeling re racism. Like pornography, racism is hard to precisely define but one knows it when continuously demonstrated right before one's eyes...


Henry Ruark January 11, 2008 6:38 am (Pacific time)

Jason: Direct-challenge to those who hide behind trees never gets too old for continuing use, especially in defense of the rights of others. Mine with N-N based on full record here of his use of language, including very demeaning terms applied with no familiarity with life style and experience of others. No problem ever when he has point supported by facts; only when he seeks to demean and thus defeat any and all others as record clearly confirms. Surely we have nothing from him except his unsupported word for all he claims to have done-and-be; that is unfair to those who speak from full open record. It is also fact that open channels as here under full constant attack now by neocon cabal, some by paid shills, others by assigned members of ongoing cabal supporting the proven GOP "noise machine", disclosed by leading participants. IF he has points, let him put them into Op Ed format, as is open to all here. Then they become "on the record" public statement with all due recourse via opposing Op Ed, while short-shot behind-tree sniping eliminated.


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 4:07 am (Pacific time)

Jason - It is the lies, cowardice, delusional ravings and incomparable ignorance of the likes of Jefferson and other neocon shills that got old long ago. Henry should keep up his challenges because it only continues to prove the cowardice and lack of credibility of the likes of Jefferson. Deal with it. Ah well...


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 4:03 am (Pacific time)

Oh and Jefferson, Gore won FL in 2000. Why else did the gang of 5 in the USSC stop the counting so that they could just insert their choice in as winner. See: http://elandslide.org/display.cfm?id=181 Ah well...


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 3:55 am (Pacific time)

Leonardo - The GoPhers will try but everything they drag up was vetted and investigated (at a cost of hundreds of millions of tax dollars mind you... so much for smaller govt eh?) over a decade ago. It was irrelevant old news then it is even less relevant and older news now. It will just make them look desperate. Kerry's mistake with the Swift Boat Liars for Shrub was to not instantly counter their every utterance. I doubt Hillary would make that same mistake having seen what it can do. Like I've said I have not made up my mind yet but one big plus fot a Hillary nomination (and presidential win) is the hundreds of thousands of strokes that will be suffered by conservatives across the country, pretty much ending the neocon movement in a single blow. LOL! It would be worth it no matter what she might do just for that result. Ah well...


Neal Feldman January 11, 2008 3:50 am (Pacific time)

Oh puh-LEEZE! I guarantee you that Jefferson's 'hero' Oliver North, the criminal involved in the Iran-Contra crimes back in the 80s benefited Iran (as did their deity Ronald Reagan) far more than Marc Rich ever did. And when your side defends the likes of Blackwater, Halliburton, et al it is hard to take you seriously when you fault the pardon of Rich when every president has pardoned people, and people not convicted of crimes need no pardons. As for your plaintive cries regarding Hillary showing emotion you prove conclusively that where she is concerned you should be utterly ignored because she cannot win with you no matter what. If she cries she is a weak woman or a manipulative shrew and if she does not she is a heartless unfeeling wonk. Grow up. Ah well...


Jason January 11, 2008 1:23 am (Pacific time)

Dear Henry, Please get off your "ID to Editor" and the "waiting space for Op Ed" kicks. It is getting old. And Matt Johnson, this is not about "Us" and "Them" unless you assume that everyone (who counts?) is either a Democrat or a Republican. . . . I think you might actually need to know that there are many independent thinkers. Does that make Me racist, too?! Or just a fascist? I have no idea where you picked that comment out of Jefferson's post.


Henry Ruark January 10, 2008 2:49 pm (Pacific time)

Pardon my pointing out what is now becoming obvious with each added-Comment, in muddled depth from u know who... but pressure to provide ever more cover-story is beginning to shred abilities to do so. Since ID to Editor still open, to provide waiting space for Op Ed, per wellknown and widely appreciated rules-here, seems to me we are seeing neocon knockdown fully in progress. Perhaps domination of channels can now come to the end as it must, sooner or later, and we can respond with the decencies of common social compact "conversation" that John Dewey advocated.


Jefferson January 10, 2008 1:19 pm (Pacific time)

Thanks for sharing with me Matt. So for all those people who make critique's about Obama and his lack of executive experience ( well actually any experience other than being glib) are racist's!? That's a pretty oppressing and harsh analysis Matt. I have never been called that by anyone who knows me, but I find that people who use those types of labels generally are very unhappy with their lives, I hope that does not apply to you. Also for those who call Chillary evasive and devoid of executive experience are women hater's?(notice how it's okay for those of your(?) ideology to call Bush "Shrub", but those on the right are tarred if we use nicknames in a similar manner? By the way I am not a republican, but I am a conservative). As far as Kerry's 4 month stint in Vietnam (1/3 of a tour) and his 3 purple hearts (none requiring anything more than a "oooh, does that hurt Johneee?"[lower lip protruding] "Here's a bandaid little buddy." Actually Matt I really don't care about Kerry's short stay in Vietnam nor the calculus he obviously used (or his refusal to make public his medical records--he hasn't and said he would...liar, a character trait of his) to leave his comrades (really loyal, he is?), as a real combat veteran, it was the lies Kerry told. That is why the majority of veterans did not vote for him. Do you also dislike veteran's Matt? I knew a lot of people who got deferrments during Vietnam, but that's their business. Clinton had his, then in 1968 he was in the Soviet Union talking trash about our military in Vietnam, great guy. Kerry, as are most armchair warriors, are clueless about what was happening in the interior of Vietnam where the majority of combat was happening, "especially girly-boy Kerry", and you too Matt. So give it a rest and discuss those area's you are familiar with, like how you would kick people out of your establishment. I won't worry about that happening to me, I do not frequent places where ignorance is omnipresent. P.S. Gore and Kerry lost Matt. They really did. Google it! LOL P.S. Matt can you name some military operation in Vietnam that we lost? Come on, just one? Basketcase was not Vietnam, we had a clear military victory in the making, it was the congress that let those people in S.E. Asia head down the food chain when we left. Though it was two years after our military pulled out that Saigon fell. Did you know that Matt? Our congress pulled the funding and millions died so now you know...


Henry Ruark January 10, 2008 12:54 pm (Pacific time)

To all: "Almost not a doubt in hell that you are a rascist,..." For further re status revealed by own language, see Comment in Kerry endorsement story.


Matt Johnson January 10, 2008 11:57 am (Pacific time)

John Kerry served his country honorably and successfully testified before Congress about what was really going on in Vietnam. As honorable as the cause may have been to some, it was a basket case among wars. At least Communism was an honest enemy, not just a perceived one. Bush was in the Texas Guard to avoid war service, pure coward in the yellowest sense. That is not a slam on the Guard today, we all know Bush sent his own ranks to war. So since the GOP is the national liar's club, it makes sense that a party advocate like Jefferson wouldn't be bothered by the swiftboaters, but if they ever stepped foot inside my establishment they would quickly hit the street, landing on their ass in the process. Kerry served, Bush didn't. Kerry's service was totally honorable, everything else is a lie. He won the election as Gore did, only to have these dirty lying republicans steal it like a thief in the night. Vietnam was a mess because our country wasn't allowed to win. That must have been OK with some like Jefferson but the rest of the world was on its knees over it, and our brothers fought and died. John Kerry was one who survived, only to be framed by the lies of the conservatives today. Man, the table are sure getting ready to flip over on you guys, all of the hell of the last eight years is partly your fault and I for one am not happy about your support of an administration that has ruined almost everything for out children's future. I hope you're ready, because OUR day is right around the corner. Also, I noticed your tone about Obama, Jefferson. Almost not a doubt in hell that you are a rascist, I hope it keeps you from sleeping at night that a black man will run this country and his beliefs are exactly the opposite of people like you. Jefferson, is your lip quivering? I'm sorry.


Jefferson January 10, 2008 11:44 am (Pacific time)

Good observation Leonardo. As far as things being made up about Kerry, most Vietnam combat veterans and the majority of veterans in general were more concerned about Kerry's lies about Vietnam and not what the Swiftboat personnel had to say. That is the reason we did not vote for this pos.


Vic January 10, 2008 10:16 am (Pacific time)

Right on, Frank.As far as foreign policy is concerned, Hillary is Bush with boobs. She should run as a Likud candidate and at least be honest with us all.


Frank January 10, 2008 8:55 am (Pacific time)

The following video shows others crying because of Clinton's blind support for something so greatly serious as war. http://www.thepatriots.us/pg_04_contribute_Action.html If a nuke ever goes off in an American city, it will probably have been stolen from our own arsenal – once the American people wake up to that scary fact, the rest will follow automatically. (Video interview included at the bottom of the page.) http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12166 Sibel Edmonds. Investigations Thwarted (Video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cm-uRQmfUUandeurl=http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12166


Henry Ruark January 10, 2008 7:42 am (Pacific time)

BUT Dems have lontime neocon economic debacles starting with "supply side" and "trickle down" from Reagan, crony capitalism, many trillions in wasted war efforts,and blood spilled by deaths of devoted heroic soldiers sent to sure fate via proven lies and lying press endorsements. Should be "battle of truth vs distortion/perversion", same line we've seen here for past weeks --in preparation you may be sure; and via same means of sniping from behind tree rather than open, honest, democratic dialog. Very sure that "Truth will set you free" --but first you must recognize and really appreciate it, then act as it points the way to do what's right for commonweal rather than for corporate crowd and their paid-for consorts.


Leonardo January 10, 2008 6:36 am (Pacific time)

The Republicans are going to have a field day if she gets the nomination. Their only problem would be to decide which dirty laundry to air. Entergy and Riady are two obscure names now, but they won't be if she gets the nomination. The Republicans will pull out all her sordid connections with these entities and more. With Kerry they had to make stuff up to swift-boat him. With Hillary they won't even have to stretch their imaginations.

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