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Charley January 13, 2011 9:42 am (Pacific time)

In less than a year...

Editor: To our readers, this is an individual who uses different names even though that is specifically prohibited here. This is not allowed, thanks.

Daniel January 12, 2011 8:24 pm (Pacific time)

This guy was over the edge , now Charles Habermann is another story . He truly is a poster boy for the tea party !

Daniel January 12, 2011 7:18 pm (Pacific time)

anon Thanks please keep your promise and do not return with your simplistic posting . Altho you will probably return using another fake name with more meaningless venom .

Anonymous January 12, 2011 3:03 pm (Pacific time)

The writer of this article was sure proven 100% wrong, but you radical lefty morons could care less about facts. Never coming to this "luacy blog" again. Nuts, bunch of nuts!

James Kelso January 11, 2011 3:33 pm (Pacific time)

Those survivors and victoms I say get an attorney and sue the bitch

Luke Easter January 11, 2011 2:30 pm (Pacific time)

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. ~Thomas Jefferson Third President of the United States of America (1801-1809)

Anonymous January 11, 2011 12:34 pm (Pacific time)

NO kidding Doug..and shame on ALL of you that take this tragedy to further your opinions and political agendas.. I know of the judge that was killed, he was one of the best judges in this country, I knew much about him..and a little girl for goodness sake....SHAME ON ALL OF YOU PIECES OF SHandT, that are using this to further your agenda. I have come to the conclusion that this country has become not on spiritually bankrupt, but morally bankrupt. What the hell is wrong with u people???

Douglas Benson January 11, 2011 6:12 am (Pacific time)

Come on Luke ,this guy is a nut. If he was a sane person you might be able to point fingers at the rhetoric. Guys like this dont need encouragement like crosshairs ,they make up the reasons in thier own head . Peace

Luke Easter January 11, 2011 4:37 am (Pacific time)

"A politician cannot pull the trigger of a weapon wielded by another" but they can easily ship soldiers to another country to do so.

Luke Easter January 11, 2011 4:35 am (Pacific time)

RHETORIC: the art of using language to communicate effectively and persuasively. It involves three audience appeals: logos, pathos, and ethos, as well as the five canons of rhetoric: invention or discovery, arrangement, style, memory, and delivery. Along with grammar and logic or dialectic, rhetoric is one of the three ancient arts of discourse. From ancient Greece to the late 19th Century, it was a central part of Western education, filling the need to train public speakers and writers to move audiences to action with arguments.

POLITICAL: For Democrats it is using this to win Health Care. For REPUBLICANS it is using this to defeat Health Care.

As for a book picking up a gun it is not that simple. It’s more like, lack of influence from a book, “The BIBLE!” Will is not equal as backgrounds are different. Doctors and lawyers are more likely to come from families of the same. Likewise, pimps and drug dealers. Take the Maifia and it’s crime families for instance. Raised up in killing as a part of, “business” it simply continues. Nothing personal just business as with the Mexican Drug Cartel. To them, murdering judges, politicians, law enforcement or innocent citizens is all a part of their business. No two people have the same mind. Ever hear of date rape? Will is trained good or bad. You eat pizza, twinkies and drink beer, soda all day you will be fat. Look at racism, that’s not will- it’s inbred in the way we are raised. Mistreatment and abuse:

Women were not created for swollen lips and black eyes,
Neither was their purpose to be lower class or despised,
She’s supposedly man’s companion not his punching bag,
Girls are treated by boys the way mom is treated by dad.

Where is the will in beating a woman to a pulp like OJ beat Nicole? Do all Catholic Priests have the will to sexually abuse boys within their charge? Most were Pedophiles before joining the church knowing they would be protected under the guise of the church. The story just published by Salem-News of the West Point, Major/Attorney who received 37 years for raping an infant. Not everybody drives the same make, model and color.

Beau Franklin January 10, 2011 9:28 pm (Pacific time)

Sometimes I've been know to color outside the lines but tell me Luke what is "political rhetoric" (your words) when it comes to some outfit like the Daily Kos. That outfit is as far left as you get, so are you saying, to quote you, one person's "crap" is another person's political rhetoric? Or do you mean vitriol? They clearly were using corrosive speech against the wounded congresswoman.

Mike January 10, 2011 6:23 pm (Pacific time)

Luke Easter: Every person living in the United States, to one degree or another is exposed to the rhetoric of the left and the right, to books, both good and bad, to demagoguery and eloquence. The defining measure of men is, nonetheless, what they do with these influences. A book cannot pick up a gun. A politician cannot pull the trigger of a weapon wielded by another. While we freely anthropomorphize these things on a regular basis, saying, for example, that an article in a newspaper or a blog "takes aim" at someone, it still requires an act of the will, the force of personal decision and the moral independence to freely take responsibility for one's own actions that shapes the world in which we live. Whatever political motivations there may or may not be, it is still a man, a single individual, who decided to load his weapon and then unload it on the crowd in Arizona. We may rightly adjudge him to be an unstable nut. But whatever the brand name of his politics, it is ~the man himself~ not his affiliations that are to blame for this savage act. We can argue ad infinitum that one political philosophy or another may be inherently more attractive to this type of person. But at the end of the day, it is the man himself who must answer. He (after being duly tried and presumably convicted) is the one who is guilty. He created victims - and he is not one of them. Some 300 million Americans have the same access to the broad range of ideas, books and personalities that this man had. Approximately 80 million of them own guns. They are not either all Conservative or all Liberal, not all young nor all old, not all are smart and not all are stupid. 79,999,999 of them didn't decide to shoot anyone this week. If it were true that politicians, books or news sources could make a man murder, then we'd all be neck deep in dead bodies right about now. I hasten to point out that I am not suggesting any kind of moral equivalency in all political, social and religious points of view. Some systems, sects and parties can be objectively shown to be inherently more violent than others. This implies that those who choose to affiliate with them are assuming the onerous burden of having made a dangerously bad choice. But still, in the final analysis - it's the person who is doing the choosing - and in this case, the killing.

Luke Easter January 10, 2011 5:13 pm (Pacific time)

Mike, Mike, Mike! Thank goodness there's only one month of your crap. It is, “Political Rhetoric” dude. What do Tea Party backers need? The crap they preach is practiced as well. Lunacy is not covered in the 1st Amendment. Try again MJ.

Mike January 10, 2011 3:01 pm (Pacific time)

Tim below are some links that provide some more balance to this matter. Just days ago, Daily Kos, the far left website posted a column -- since removed -- slamming the conservative Democrat. The author said Giffords was “dead to me” in the post’s title and comments. Daily Kos put target practice bullseye on Giffords This is not the first time Giffords’s opposition to the Pelosi-Obama agenda put her under the crosshairs of the fringe left’s violent rhetoric. Did Olbermann want Clinton dead? The pro-Obama media also ought to tone down its violent rhetoric against Obama’s political opposition. In 2008, Keith Olbermann infamously insinuated that Hillary Clinton should be taken out by a man to clear the path for Obama. Olberman stated that Obama backers needed... "Somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out." This is Google's cache of http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Jan 8, 2011 20:12:01 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Another link: http://www.examiner.com/post-partisan-in-national/liberal-website-daily-kos-put-bullseye-on-dead-to-me-giffords#ixzz1AftiFLdS

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