Legislation Will Help Oregon’s Veterans

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Rosenberg April 24, 2007 3:15 pm (Pacific time)

Thanks LaMarche

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S.LaMarche; April 24, 2007 7:01 am (Pacific time)

you may have heard there were nine killed and five seriously wounded today from a bombing in Iraq, reports indicate all from task force "Lightning" of the 82nd Airborne Div. Sorry for all of them. And I'd vote for both these pieces of legislation. I think those troops need my support more than my critisizm of the administration, they are the ones putting it on the line. I want it to end but don't see peace on the horizon for decades,it's driving me crazy.

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Rosenberg April 23, 2007 3:19 pm (Pacific time)

Sen. Wayne Morse only did one good thing for veterans, and that is when he lost his seat in 1968. I had the great pleasure of addressing him during a debate he had with Packwood with 100 other Vietnam veterans , and told him in no uncertain terms what we thought of him. I find it not to be a big mystery why a poster on this site supported this traitor.

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Rosenberg April 23, 2007 3:13 pm (Pacific time)

People like Krugman, and papers like the NY Times continually demonstrate that they are untrustworthy (see dwindling subscription rates--the public gets it, but not HR!). Maybe thats why HR likes to quote them as a source...What you will see in the immediate future, even though HR will tell you that unions that are associated with the public school system are positioned best to repair the system, will be ongoing reports of student failure, then just before an election they will tell you that they have turned the corner and schools are improving. In the meantime your pocketbook is being cleaned out. Don't trust the people who try to sell you the snake oil...the liberals do not know what they are doing.

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Hank Ruark April 23, 2007 12:00 pm (Pacific time)

To all:
IF you need proof today of ongoing situations like the ones I mentioned just-earlier, simply go to: www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2553
for further striking detail on similar situation(s) undr heavy official examination for precisely the same kind, if not same-level, of manipulation and prevarication destroying democracy if allowed to continue unstopped.

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Hank Ruark April 23, 2007 10:26 am (Pacific time)

To all: For any such mean-marauding distorted-perverted malicious prevaricator, past experience shows that forceful truth well presented is the best answer. For those who provide only partial reference, cannily crammed into partially-stated history, the ongoing reference time and trouble is hardly worth the effort here, either professiionally or personally. Most cogitating readers,most especially here in S-N, can be counted on to make their own due and definite demands for truth on any of us allowed the privilege of open statement, openly and publicly published. SO, for one shot, let me simply send you back to solid statement in world-esteemed reference/source, on one point mentioned here recently. Here it is: "The Confidence Game", re "Who Lost Asia" --a favorite topic for such as live in the past despite credible/reliable new channels crushed with solid-source full-meaningful information. This one is Paul Krugman in The NEW REPUBLIC --OCT. 5, 1998 ! Go and "see with own eyes", and then check vs what's being sold to you now by some other very questionable sources. You may not know Krugman, but you can surely count on his credibilities and wide national, international acceptance vs a localized source without publication history. Whose basic credibility do you prefer ? What criteria do you wish to use to solidify your own solid understandings, given the indisputable facts, now deeply embedded into history --but still available to you via honest, unquestionable full and documented reference ? IF you prefer disjointed, wildly inconsequential and irresponsible very-personal statement, I have a list of other publications whose illustrations you might well enjoy more...just ask !!

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Hank Ruark April 23, 2007 10:04 am (Pacific time)

Rosy et al: Not that I don't enjoy your reminiscences, Rosy...but this ain't the 19th Century any longer and we do the public domain no favor by acting as if that were the fact... What you so often contend may well be what seems truth to you --given your ongoing inescapable and revealing personal insights, intentional or not, that's probably unavoidable for you by this time, so late in life... BUT it is still 21st Century now...and time to move on from those benighted and extremely well-beaten past impressions, mostly psychological in origin as your own statements reveal. For more on what is reality these days, consult my ongoing series of Op Eds...if you have problems in understanding what they plainly state, you can always consult your longtime contacts at those other fine sources you keep distorting and perverting. So long and good reading, friend Rosy...been nice knowing you, but even old-head like me can only take just so much...then truth must prevail for any continuing public consumption.

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Rosenberg April 22, 2007 5:54 pm (Pacific time)

Hank, I have friendships at the Oregonian that go back decades. My Father, who will be 100 this upcoming July still plays golf once a week with a former reporter with the Oregon Journal and Oregonian (before the Newhouse soured everything), they go back to their childhood in Portland---over 90 years ago. These people that we are so very close to, and the scores who have passed away, have no similarity to your world/social perspective. No big deal Hank, just the way things are. But how about that national veteran perspective, noticeably, the problems at Walter Reed are not with the doctors or medical care. The problems are with basic maintenance at the facility. To the contrary, the problems at Walter Reed are further proof of the Democrats' failed domestic policies — to wit, the civil service rules that prevent government employees from ever being fired. (A policy that also may account for Robert Byrd's longevity as a U.S. senator.) Thanks to the Democrats, government employees have the world's most complicated set of job protection rules outside of the old East Germany. Oddly enough, this has not led to a dynamic workforce in the nation's capital. This problem also manifests itself with teacher's unions. At one time or another, most of my family going back generations were involved with the public school system. It has turned into a humty dumpty affair, it cannot be fixed!

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Hank Ruark April 22, 2007 4:24 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Happens just finishing "The Pulitzer Prize" by Doug Bates of OREGONIAN, where they just won another... IF you really wonder about jrnslm,the book is a beautiful one from which to learn... ISBN1-55972-070-0 Honest journalism is a founding feature of all the Founders meant to build via democracy...see for yourself.

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Rosenberg April 22, 2007 1:35 pm (Pacific time)

HR you continue to make my point. Though I might add for all you out there: When you here of all these awards that the multi-media hand out to each other, like clockwork, simply re-call the best academy award winning song a while back: "It's Hard Out There For a Pimp", and put that in perspective...

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Hank Ruark April 22, 2007 12:52 pm (Pacific time)

Rosy: No matter how you try you will never make the marks left by McCarthy. Yr set of names cannot hide the same diseased dissonances we all associate with him, the odor giveth you away every time.

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Hank Ruark April 22, 2007 11:54 am (Pacific time)

Rosy: Cannot you deny yrslf the easy "tought stuff", and dialog decently instead of insultingly ? Yr dirty underwear is showing, keed...killing any credibilities you might once have had. So, again, good-by...and if you got any more, please keep it where it belongs to be.

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Rosenberg April 22, 2007 8:40 am (Pacific time)

LaMarche, you realize of course that liberals spent the Vietnam War rooting for the enemy and clamoring for America's defeat, a tradition they have brought back for the Iraq war. They insisted on calling the Soviet-backed Vietcong "the National Liberation Front of Vietnam," just as they call Islamic fascists killing Americans in Iraq "insurgents." Ho Chi Minh was hailed as a "Jeffersonian Democrat," just as Michael Moore compares the Islamic fascists in Iraq to the Minute Men. The democratic leadership at the present is really hurting our country LaMarche, just like they did over 40 years ago, except this time we have an enemy that has completely infiltrated us here, right now.

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Rosenberg April 22, 2007 7:35 am (Pacific time)

Happy trails to you HR, and thanks for making my point, as usual! LaMarche, how are you? Regarding Webb of Virginia, I like the public stand he made regarding the 2nd Amendment, but it was simply him echoing the majority opinion out there of those who are informed about the "real facts" dealing with gun crime and responsible gun ownership. But to date, it appears he has left his subordinate out twisting in the wind re: getting caught with a gun in DC, which is an absurd law the the U.S. Supreme Court will be reviewing fairly soon. It's interpretation of DC's gun laws will most likely present a significant impact on current and future urban area gun laws. After all we are talking about a constitutional amendment, one that assures the ongoing existence of the others if you get my drift. Unfortunately, Webb appears to be of weak character. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. LaMarche what do you think of the situation where the congressional black caucus negotiated a presidential debate between demo candidates on the FOX Network, then the Soros controlled Moveon.org said they should not be on FOX, then they all pulled out of the scheduled debate? Seems that if this lefty controlled moveon.org outfit controls these puppet candidates, how would these so-called leaders deal with real world problems like North Korea, China, the middle-east, ad nauseum...? Not a very good crop of leaders the demo's have for candidates. Republicans aren't much better, but they would never pull out like those demo people, wouldn't you agree? We need strong independent people LaMarche. And no Bush is not one, he is not looking out for our country on the domestic front!

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Hank Ruark April 22, 2007 5:38 am (Pacific time)

To all: Since Rosy opened the topic, will post as PDF list of some 30 mags, jrnls, nwsltrs, bulletins, other channels, surveilled here constantly for 20 yrs...demanded by force of work problems. Yep - occasionally even dip into biased special-reader ones such as mentioned. Can provide also pile of clips every week from six or more standard national dailies...happens to be mine best hobby as well as necessity for past work.

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S.LaMarche; April 21, 2007 7:47 pm (Pacific time)

Shalom Rosenberg, I want to ask you why you think there are only two sides?, my outlook though admittedly I like Kool Aid!, (it's American!,no hangovers!), is they democrats and the republicans are so close together as to make two "sides" a manipulated convenience dependent on upcoming elections schedules, and what's your read on James Webb?,the senator from Virginia I believe. over.

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Hank Ruark April 21, 2007 7:15 pm (Pacific time)

Rosy: You talk a great daily-output but I have yet to see a source quoted. As jrnlst confine myself to specialized organizations at, at 89, very few of those...but in past yrs have been in all types you mention starting with early Maine yrs. Have yours won long list of international, national, regional and local top awards for integrity, coverage and quality jrnlsm ? From whom ? Any Pulitzers ? Speak up, friend, cite by yr and award fr yours...then I'll do same. Mine checkable... Meantime good-by Rosy, patently false stand reflects yr general credibility again ! Still offer easy-chost: ID self to Editor and we can then continue in depth so long as you can take it...

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Rosenberg April 21, 2007 5:59 pm (Pacific time)

I am stating fact as per how the nation's veterans have so stated their majority opinions. You will see these opinions published in such monthly magazines put out by the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars, who have millions upon millions of readers. HR does not participate in any of these veteran organizations as per current membership rolls, if he reads these publications then he would know that what I'm saying is true, unless he has another agenda?. The mainstream media misinforms via ommission (and out and out lies by the likes of Krugman, Hersh, and so many other bad characters), a pretty standard method of operation for these folks. Main reason they are losing circulation, more and more people are learning on a daily level that some of these so-called journalist's should be in the used car business, not the business of reporting empirical facts. I believe this is why the FOX Network has been so successful, they offer both sides and let you decide. That is why I provide a different side than HR. I will tell you the truth and provide you with an objective source if you so desire. HR will give you the NY Times and other sources that are utterly subjective and misleading...

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Hank Ruark April 21, 2007 1:07 pm (Pacific time)

Rosy: Yr undocumented statements run counter to open press delivered for millions to see, echoing GOP-claims to cover for deliberate discount of real necessities by sordid, cynical administration. Leading Edits in major U.S. dailies cite-able for that statement...wanna see 'em ? Meanwhile you approving the mess made in massive mayhem permitted in how we treat wounded vets ? If so, cite situations in msg sent to me off-channel here, when you supply yr own ID-address to Editor. Cannot waste time refuting obvious news-events, so goodby again...per last time you avoided ID-contact when so challenged, too...

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Rosenberg April 21, 2007 12:17 pm (Pacific time)

Well Ruark I see you are out of touch with veteran's issues and still cherry-picking. Walter Reed was overplayed, but when you look at it a bit closer, you will see that civilian maintenance workers (union people) dropped the ball at WR, you can't fire these goldbrickers. Sounds like the NEA Hank! You also can't easily fire these incompetent union members. I DOUBT YOU HAVE BEEN GOING TO VARIOUS VETERANS MEETINGS HERE IN OREGON HANK, IF YOU HAD BEEN, THEN YOU'D REALIZE THAT THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE MULTIPLE VETERANS ORGANIZATION SEE THAT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION AND CURRENT DEMO LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN CAUSING THE MOST HARM. ONCE AGAIN, YOU ARE OUT OF STEP PAPER TARGET SHOOTER.

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Hank Ruark April 21, 2007 8:54 am (Pacific time)

Rosy: Sorry, friend, but it just won't work...when you ascribe past behaviors vs vets to D's. Walter Reed et al is really nationwide, did not come from D-neglect. But then what do you care for recorded fact, as well demonstrated here on other matters just as obvious. Again must seek from you what you never-ever supply: Solid factual documentation, in detail easily checkable. Credibilities depend upon that, Rosy...so ??? Or is that you simply do not care, and seek only first-shot impact via irresponsible statements.

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Rosenberg April 21, 2007 7:15 am (Pacific time)

Rep. Nelson has proven to be a strong leader in dealing with veteran's issues. Way to go Rep. Nelson. There are hundreds of thousands of veterans in Oregon, and counting those in the veteran's social and economic orbits, probably the majority of voters. Hopefully veterans will also take some leadership and get all these above-referenced voter's to evaluate how the democratic leadership (both on a state as well as a national level) has been harming both our active military and our veterans with their egregious behavior.

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