ReThink911 International Petition

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Albury Smith December 5, 2013 6:10 am (Pacific time)

Ahmad Massoud was a Western ALLY and hated OBL. He was preemptively murdered in an al Qaeda SUICIDE attack two days before their 9/11 SUICIDE attack on the US. Massoud and Hekmatyar were far more instrumental in the defeat of the Soviets than OBL's "Afghan-Arabs," and Saddam would've beaten them like a rented mule if Saudi Arabia had kept the US out and taken OBL's offer to defend their border. A10 Warthogs aren't part of the AQ arsenal, and they quickly devastated Iraqi tanks and ground troops. At least you admit to bin Laden's "beef with the US," but it was primarily over the "infidel" bases SA allowed near the "Holy Land." The "first slaughter of Iraqi people" was on his agenda too, and was used by him as a contrived excuse to attack the US after they did it to Iraq's troops (as long as necessary, and then left).

Right that is the convenient story for what happened to Massoud,  I have a completely different theory.  I know people who knew Massoud. 

That 1991 war was a murderous fiasco,  another complete set up.  April Glaspie told Saddam Hussein that the United States would not interfere if Iraq dealt with Kuwait militarily because they were "both sovereign nations".  Saddam Hussien was sick of Kuwait pulling Iraqi oil from the ground with 45 degree drilled wells.  This is widely known in Asia and Europe.  The line from the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter about Iraqi soldiers tossing babies out of incubators was a bald faced lie that is now fully exposed.  That whole effort in '91 was strictly conducted to kill people.  Yes, the USAF pilots murdered the RETREATING Iraqi army with J Dam's and other DU rich arms, effectively genociding the whole group.  The 1991 war makes me SICK and it was completely unnecessary, just a scam and a kill for oil.  As for fighter jets, they just hastened the murder.  That situation should have been handled locally, the US had no right to invade that section of the world.   

 The "terrible miserable war" in Iraq is over, except for the enormous escalation of Sunni & al Qaeda violence that occurred after US troops left in 2011 and continues today. It's now also winding down where OBL really wanted to battle US troops, and an Afghanistan without them will be a far more dangerous place for Muslim civilians to live, unfortunately.

That war continues day in and day out,  The US put up walls between Sunni and Shiite neighborhoods for the first time in history and a week rarely passes in Iraq without another terrible bomb incident.  Of course we know that during the way the western forces were posing as Arabs and setting the bombs off themselves, the British were caught in the act, then the same British soldiers who killed Iraqi police earlier in the day, were "retrieved" by other British forces who destroyed the Iraqi jail and police station in the process.  The whole war, both of them, 911 particularly, are all set ups for the rich war companies.  

Despite the paranoia of ONE grieving father of a SEAL (who was not part of the Abbottabad raid, nor was any other victim of that 2011 Taliban RPG attack on a Chinook), Bill McRaven and the other SEALs do not find the crash suspicious, and the evidence that the SEAL Team 6 raid on Abbottabad offed bin Laden is irrefutable.

 OMG, you are calling Mr. Strange "paranoid"?  I gave you the link to the article from Washington Times.  That is a true vulture like quality to regard a Gold Star Father in this respect.  I's say you just lost the last of any little following you had.  The man's son was cremated, more than an anomaly then or at any other time in US history.  He received photographs of his son's dead body and HE WASN'T BURNED.  What part of that don't you understand?  I think Mr. Strange's story will eventually peel away the layers of deception. Charles Strange and his son Michael are real Americans.

If you doubt what happened, ask his 3 wives and 11 children living with him at the time, the government of Pakistan, or al Qaeda itself. Jeff Kuhner's a conservative radio talk show host and the Washington Times is an Obama-hating conservative rag, so the credibility there is on a par with Glenn Beck's. Scoring political points on the dead bodies of American troops IS despicable, whether you think I like to say it or not. You obviously didn't look up Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, whose 2009 Camp Chapman suicide attack that killed 7 CIA trackers assigned to find bin Laden is one example of the absurdity of your OBL/CIA claim.

You are going way off the subject, but I have your point.  Believe the alleged relatives of OBL but dismiss the words of an American Navy SEAL's dad.  Poor form at best, utterly disgusting and totally anti-American in reality  No honest commenter would say such a thing, but then honesty isn't your forté, while political propaganda spreading is.  On bin Laden, it is also a widely known and reported fact that the US knew where bin Laden was at Tora Bora and that Bush refused to authorize a mission to capture him.  Of course, that would have left him alive and destroyed the whole fake bin Laden tape program.  I've said this before, but two Special Forces operators who were there in Nov 2001 told me they strongly believed they sealed the cave where bin Laden was. 

"Desperation and you do not mix very well" either. "YOU'RE starting to squirm and I specialize in making people like you" resort to foolish claims that I'm a paid government agent, usually right before they ban me from commenting on their foolishness. It's happened many dozens of times over the years wherever a "forum" is run by the 9/11 "truth movement." It's what they do best.

I can only wonder what it must feel like to be an enemy of the truth.  You have too little to fall back on, but insulting the father of the SEAL is truly wrong, worse than bad form.  Our forefathers asked us to be vigilant and not trust or believe in governments that oppress.  Thomas Jefferson particularly knew that we needed to ask endless questions, what possesses a person to become a fighter for a really bad story like this, I can not account for.  

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Albury Smith December 2, 2013 6:49 am (Pacific time)

OBL very understandably denied AQ's Planes Operation ~6 days afterward while fleeing to (relative) safety in Pakistan, but later bragged about it, praised his "martyrs" and "Allah," and threatened "more Manhattans" if the US didn't leave all Muslim lands immediately.

 Ridiculous, any student of modern Middle east history knows that bin Laden's beef with the U.S. was really with his home country, Saudi Arabia, which allowed western forces to all pile into Kuwait for the first slaughter of Iraqi people.  Like your point, it was seriously disingenuous.  Osama bin Laden was a major hero for his role in defeating the Soviet Union during Afghanistan's decade-long civil war.  He was incensed that the Royal Family would bring western forces in for a fight that he and his Mujihadeen stood ready to take on.  The reason the Berlin Wall fell, the collapse of the Soviet Union - that is all directly linked to this story of bin Laden and Ahmed Massoud (Killed the day before 911 because he was a potential 911 whistleblower) and the other jihadist leaders defeating the Russians, not some lame speech by the Iran/Contra criminal extraordinaire... the movie actor Ronald Reagan.

Osama bin Laden, had he been responsible for tossing that rock at a hornets next called the United States, would have indeed taken credit for it if he were truly responsible.  What the act did was bring a terrible miserable war into the ME that continues to this day.  No good Muslim leader would set his own people up like that.  

Your SEAL yarn's despicable, as is the whopper about al Qaeda and the CIA. AQ was formed in the late '80s by Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and some other Muslim extremists, and bin Laden had been outspokenly hostile toward the evil US since the early '80s. Look up Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi to understand the warm relationship between al Qaeda and the CIA. He KILLED 7 of them and 2 others on December 30, 2009 with a suicide bomb inside Camp Chapman, Afghanistan, where they'd been sent specifically to hunt down key al Qaeda operatives. The group drew inspiration from Sayyid Qutb, an Egyptian radical who preached takfir and murdered people for Allah.

I will be sure to tell Charles Strange, father of Michael Strange, SEAL Team 6 member killed during the pathetic mission in Afghanistan, that you regard his revelation about his son's death as "despicable".  You have entered a fight you can't win Mr. Smith but I am glad you are giving me a new unexpected platform to counter your every innuendo with solid fact. 

This is from the Washington Times, suitably mainstream enough for even your approval I presume; either way as mainstream as it gets:

 The military’s narrative, however, is false. Charles Strange, whose son, Michael, died during the attack, says he viewed the pictures of the crash site. “I saw Mike’s dead body,” Mr. Strange said in an interview. “It was clearly recognizable. He was clutching his gun. He wasn’t burned to a crisp. Why did they cremate my boy? They didn’t need to do that. Something’s not right.”

 As far as the rest of what you said, bin Laden didn't do anything in 2009 except lay in the same bombed out cave at Tora Bora that he was killed in back in November 2001.

What possible sense would attacking Saudi Arabia have made when al Qaeda was in Afghanistan? Why didn't the US get Afghan and Iraqi "patsies"? Nearly 3000 innocent people were murdered on US soil, and you expect them to play games with the Taliban for release of ONE of the planners? OBL wasn't "slowly dying" of kidney STONES in 2001, and where he was that day has no effect on what the hijackers did thousands of miles away. His own excavating equipment made many of the caves, and the guy referred to as a "cave man" by troofers was college-educated. Zawahiri is a physician, and most of the 19 hijackers had college backgrounds, including some degrees.

Everyone in their right mind knows there were many reports about his kidney ailment.  I know there is a program underway in the U.S. to eliminate that story, to downplay it and all that, but you and they are full of it.  The man was dying slowly when 911 happened.  Anyone can examine the so-called bin Laden tapes and see VERY EASILY that each is a different impostor.  Here is CNN:

Osame bin Laden: "Reportedly walked with a cane and suffered from kidney disease."

 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/30/world/osama-bin-laden-fast-facts/)

Piloting a Boeing wide-bodied twin takes training and skill; simply navigating and steering an already-airborne 757 or 767 into huge targets in perfect weather conditions can easily be done after some cockpit simulator training, and all 4 hijacker/pilots had FAA commercial pilot certificates for their training in them. I dearly hope you don't really fly F16s if you believe 757 crashes can be faked, or that's there's even the slightest doubt that Arab terrorists hijacked and crashed those 4 planes. If you ever actually develop an interest in facts and reality, you'll find plenty of both here:

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/

The 9/11 SUICIDE attacks were not a whodunit; al Qaeda WANTED the US to know they did it, and to send troops into Afghanistan, where OBL fantasized that he and his "Afghan-Arabs" had single-handedly defeated the Soviets in the '80s. They don't want or need a 9/11 "truth movement" to defend them

Desperation and you do not mix very well sir, you are starting to squirm and I specialize in making people like you do that. 

Just admit that you are a paid agent of the U.S. government Albury Smith, a political body which conducted and participated in a false flag attack against the United States of America.  The money trail leads to Dick Cheney and Eric Prince and their ilk. 

The beneficiary behind these STUPID evil wars of aggression in the Middle east is Israel, an apartheid state that maintains one system of law and punishment for Jews, and a separate system for non-Jews.  This is the country that the U.S. is driving its population to the brink over.  Israel has had a large degree of control over U.S. politics and policies for many years, but people are sick of it, and one of the largest groups are the Israeli people themselves, so many of whom are critically intelligent over their national policies and agendas and goals, as I am about the United States. 

Nothing in history changes, deception is the bottom dollar product here, the U.S. corporations that are involved in making and selling "war products" have thrived at the top of the food chain for a long time due to their involvement in this dirty business.  All wars are useless and wrong, the politics that precede them are even more "despicable" as you like to say Mr. Smith.  The United States has been driven down a dark road by people exactly like yourself who hate it when confronted with unexplainable truth.  I hope you bring more back, because I'm right here waiting.  

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Albury Smith November 29, 2013 5:21 am (Pacific time)

ALL straw men contain fact; they're called straw men because the facts are deliberately misused. Steel does not have to melt to cause structural failure, and many steel-framed buildings have collapsed solely from fire: https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/firesafetyengineering%26theperformanceofst Total collapses of buildings are by their very nature rapid, and 2+ seconds more than a free fall time of only ~6.16 seconds for WTC 7's ~610' EXTERIOR is an eternity. If there was no reason for WTC 7 to fall, explain that to the FDNY who evacuated it ~3 hours before it did, based only the increasing structural instability they observed and attributed solely to the uncontrollable fires inside. There were 37 documented phone calls from UA 93, 35 of which were from GTE Airfones and only 2 from cell phones at low altitude just prior to the crash. I'm not sure how "quickly" the hijacker's scarf was dug out of the debris, but it had little evidentiary value that wasn't obtained from MANY other sources. Suqami's passport and thousands of other combustibles were scattered on the NYC pavements, and it provided nothing unique either. Passports are very likely to be noticed, even in a sea of other papers, and a passerby picked it up and turned it over to the NYPD. All 4 hijacker/pilots were "poor quality"; they'd only had enough training to steer and navigate a Boeing wide-bodied twin well enough to earn FAA commercial pilot certificates, and weren't interested in furthering their aviation training, so chalk it up to a really strange and expensive hobby and assume that your imaginary perps weren't bright enough to find better "patsies." In perfect weather conditions, hitting a huge target just wasn't all that difficult, and crashing planes is not a "skilled maneuver." If Hanjour had been more skilled, he'd have approached at a lower altitude on the first try and not had to circle and do it again. If "the Pentagon incident has as many or more witnesses who dispute the [thousand or more eyewitnesses in my link]," then why didn't you list some of them? The 2 links I furnished prove irrefutably that AA 77 and UA 93 were hijacked and crashed by al Qaeda suicide terrorists on 9/11. Since you've added 2 major US airlines, Verizon, thousands of CIVILIAN first responders and other live eyewitnesses, numerous government agencies, 230+ NIST experts (~2/3 of whom are CIVILIAN), the FAA, NTSB, and so many others to this nefarious plot to "launch a series of mind boggling Middle east wars," i.e. a blunder into Iraq that ended almost 2 years ago and a long-overdue retaliatory strike against al Qaeda in Afghanistan for its THIRD SUICIDE attack on the US in just over 3 years, then please feel free to visit the Shanksville, PA and Arlington County, VA areas and enlighten all of the sheep. I'm sure the victims' survivors who received those frantic phone calls from the airliners would be especially interested in your perspective.

I've flown an F-16 and it is not easy or simple to fly a modern jet aircraft, particularly a multi engine plane like a 757, at hundreds of miles per hour.  And why did the U.S. attack Afghanistan when the alleged hijackers were all Saudi?  What possible sense did it make to attack Afghanistan?  

Mr  Smith, al Qaeda is the name of the CIA program launched in the 1980's to aid the Afghan Mujahideen in their long running war with the Soviets.  Do you know that simple fact?  Isn't it amazing that this CIA program  'al Qaeda' would develop into something bin Laden used?  Do you fully understand that bin Laden was not Taliban, and that Taliban offered to hand him over to GW Bush if the U.S. president could provide any evidence? 

On that note isn't it fascinating that bin Laden repeatedly denied involvement with 911?  I know the American media has for the most part kept this hidden... http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/. 

 The following is an excerpt from the CNN piece, follow the link for the complete article with bin Laden denying involvement.:

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

CNN is one of more than 25 world news organizations that carried bin Laden's denial of a connection to these events.  You know, bin Laden, the guy who was dying of kidney failure back in 2000, remember that?  Of course you expect Americans to believe this sick man orchestrated that attack on the U.S. from the confines of a cave, while slowly dying without kidney dialysis (in a cave) and that he would then turn around and deny it? 

Let's talk about that for a while if you want.  Why is it that Navy SEAL Team 6 had all of their bodies burned (cremated) after their alleged capture of bin Laden?  Why did the government cremate their remains?  Why were then sent out aboard a 1960's Vietnam war helicopter without so much as a Blackhawk for cover?  I've personally flown all over Iraq and Afghanistan in a CH 47 and never went a mile without an escort.  But the most chilling thing about SEAL Team 6 is that the U.S. govt cremated them, this is NEVER done.  The father of one of those sailors received an autopsy report and there were photos of his son laying dead on the ground in Afghanistan, not burned at all.  You remind me Mr. Smith how important it is to convey truth at all costs and to never be swayed by govt. agents and paid trolls who try to keep the lies alive.

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Albury Smith November 28, 2013 6:21 am (Pacific time)

The EXTERIOR of WTC 7 free fell for ~105'and ~2.25 seconds from t=1.75 to t=4 seconds, and it's easily explained by the collapse sequence and connection details. The entire 610' took at least 2 seconds longer than free fall time, and began ~6.9 seconds after the east end of the penthouse fell as a result of interior collapses. Causes of building collapses are not divined by timing them, but at least get the times right. The tower collapses took 15+ and 22+ seconds resp., and free fall time from 1368' is ~9.22 seconds. The melting of steel is not mentioned in any NIST collapse hypothesis, so it's just a straw man. There were no bodies visible at the Shanksville site immediately after UA 93 crashed there; it was an abandoned strip mine and the plane embedded in soft fill dirt. All of the victims' remains and even some of the hijackers' were forensically identified. Tell the 1000 or so live eyewitnesses to the wreckage and human remains at both the Pentagon & Shanksville crash sites that the 757s were faked. The evidence is irrefutable. https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary (2 pages - follow link) https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/flight93page1 (3 pages - follow links)

All of that to buy two seconds?  None of that matters, there was no reason for that solidly built structure (Trade Tower 7) to fall, or the other towers because of the bare simple fact that it is structurally impossible.  Research it, no skyscrapers have ever fallen from fire.  Straw man is a sad reaction to an indisputable series of facts, but then what can you say?  You choose to defend an impossible scenario created to send this nation and many others to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.  The Pentagon incident has as many or more witnesses who dispute the idea of some massive jet piloted by a "poor quality" Arab pilot who could never have executed such a skilled maneuver, according to actual airline pilots who have studied the case, flying a plane into the building. 

Shanksville Coroner Wally Miller today says he corroborates the government story, however immediately after the event, he said things that were contradictory.

"There was just nothing visible, It was the strangest feeling."

"I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there"

"like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it."

Of course the Shanksville investigators quickly located an Arab scarf and displayed that, sort of the way the New York planes miraculously had the alleged hijacker's passports float to the ground below in almost no time.  You and the others who propagate this nonsensical stuff are truly disturbing because you insult the intelligence of bright people who can see that this story of yours isn't right.  When confronted with facts you fall to the "straw man" line and fail to defend your supposed point because your story is false.  You rely on the sheep who sadly do make up the majority of this nation, but the numbers are changing, shifting, because people are not as dumb as you think they are at the end of the day.  

And I wonder why all of these planes have varying numbers of passengers according to which federal agency you choose to believe?  It is also fair to question why the planes were all carrying only a fraction of their capacity in terms of passengers.  How about those 911 calls?  Nobody could make calls from jetliners in flight then, that is one of the most absurd propaganda stunts of all.  But you carry on Mr. Smith with your links and numbers and official mumbo jumbo, I know you will, but we both know at the end of the day that this terrible attack against my country used as an excuse to launch a series of mind boggling Middle east wars is a travesty and a sham.

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Albury Smith November 27, 2013 5:26 am (Pacific time)

Can't YOU at least come up with something meaningful? If the NIST and 9/11 Commission findings are so full of holes, 99+% of the structural engineers in the world aren't thinking people, nor are any of the world's governments, intelligence agencies, and mainstream media. Al Qaeda doesn't deny their 9/11 Planes Operation, so they apparently fall into the same category too.
I suggested a meaningful way to demonstrate the C/D hypothesis on some W14 X 730 columns, and have yet to see a substantive response here.

Trade Tower 7 came down in a free fall and it wasn't even struck by an airplane.  The fires that developed from jet fuel did not burn anywhere close to hot to melt steel, and the center cores of the buildings would never have fallen.  No building in all of history has collapsed from fire.  Again, Trade Tower 7, where all of the records and gold were located, would never have fallen in a million years.  The event was indeed carried out with explosives in NY, there is no other possibility. 

Now let's move to Pennsylvania, where the coroner confirmed that there were no bodies or wreckage. 

Now look at the Pentagon, one single hole that penetrated several walls, sixteen feet in diameter.  That was no 757, and as I have written before, one of my personal longtime associates has scrapped 757's for a living and confirms that the titanium engine housings would never have melted or vanished.  There was a single piece of aircraft wreckage to be seen and all cameras that recorded whatever did strike the building were immediately seized by U.S. federal agents. 

And don't even get me started on the 911 Commission's report, or the fact that all evidence was shipped overseas before our own investigators could adequately carry out investigations.  This, as the bin Laden family was flown out of the U.S. while all other planes were grounded.  It is a sad and ridiculous story and while you are paid and I understand this is your duty, or whatever, I fail to understand how so many Americans remain in the sheep flock.  

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Albury Smith November 26, 2013 2:04 pm (Pacific time)

Be sure to explain your simple open and shut case to the ASCE, NCSEA, SEI, NIST, AIA, RIBA, structuremag . org, ENR, Journal of Engineering Mechanics, Local 40 & 361 Ironworkers Union, SEAoNY, FDNY, etc., since they don't believe in cause divining building collapses by timing them, and support the mainstream account of the WTC collapses. Here are a few more liars, dupes, and shills: https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/someoftheagencies%2Corganizationsandindivi Some of the tiniest minds who believe that AA 77 crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 are listed here: https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary Please note that there are 2 pages, and that the long list of live eyewitnesses with tiny minds consists mostly of CIVILIANS.

Yawn... can't you at least come up with something meaningful?  The story you push is so full of holes that we can't begin to count them.  ALL thinking people question the events of 9/11.  It is just a fact, you should hang up your hat.

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Albury Smith November 25, 2013 5:07 am (Pacific time)

Ask Richard Gage* and his "experts" to demonstrate for you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91" flanges, 3.07" webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7's core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower's core:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png&imgrefurl=http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/sustainability8.html&h=478&w=638&sz=404&tbnid=q-S41Ix2mT4HeM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=122&zoom=1&usg=__UlCatIoHNuaIBUbQaF2PuEchSxU=&docid=adi9gO1tvsGG9M&sa=X&ei=FIbgUaLxFOr54APlsYHABA&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAw&dur=135
If they ever HAD TO do it, this "debate" would be OVER.
Gage's ONLY 9/11 "research":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFVoencqfZw

What debate?  Richard Gage and his team have a simple open and shut case, at least we know what did not happen.  Trade Tower 7 of course with no fire or aircraft strike, and the theory by Glenn Beck that the Pentagon plane's wings sort of sucked up inside and tucked into the hole, this is stuff only the tiniest minds would ever start to believe.

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