Israel Attacks Unarmed Americans in International Waters

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denice June 21, 2010 10:25 am (Pacific time)

King??? is your head up your butt? the world did see they saw the Maiv being basically begged to go to port, Mavi replying F-you, then when they try to board her, which is thier right (read helinski maritine), they are set upon by "peace activist" and stabbed and beaten. I cannot stand stand irresponsible journalism

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Uri June 21, 2010 7:20 am (Pacific time)

to continue hating Israel.

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Uri June 21, 2010 7:19 am (Pacific time)

Tim King, you are just a two faced hypocrite. You state:
"You imply I hate people, and the only people I have a problem with are those who launch unsolicited deadly attacks on unarmed human beings."

Do I really need to link to the number of innocent civilians who were killed by your own marines and army in Iraq and Afghanistan?

But that's besides the point. You claim boarding the boat was illegal. Well according to most international law experts, you are 100% wrong. Boarding a boat with the stated intention of breaking a maritime blockade in international waters, is legal. There are many links to experts that I can provide in this.

Furthermore, the Mavi Marmara was not carrying any aid whatsoever. It was carrying activists who had clear intentions of attacking the soldiers. These activists called for martyrdom. Again, I can provide lots of links with this information if you care to see the truth.
But I am pretty sure that you know the truth and would prefer to continue hating Israel.

Tim King: Uri, you are full of it.  Everyone who paid attention knows the Mavi Marmara carried relief supplies, no official groups have disputed that.  Personally, I hate nobody, I hate actions, and I do want Israel to behave in a legal manner, too much to ask? And by the way, I was a peacetime Marine, I hate the loss of life you refer to.  But I only shot people with a camera, off that hook.

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John June 20, 2010 9:28 am (Pacific time)

Mr King: For one who makes a staggering claim that you fight racism everyday, you've displayed the worse possible example of it. It is not an illegal siege, it is Israel attempting to protect their nation and people from a deceitful and insidious group of thugs, reprobates and murdering terrorists from destoying the only democracy in the Middle East. The refuse to create any good, they can only destroy. The American killed was a Turk that hadn't lived in the U.S. for many, many years, had no alligience to the "country of his birth" and was under the influence of terrorists who hate you, me and America. They have pretty much put a knife to Europe's throat and are trying to bring their political system of Sharia Law, disguised as a religion to America. The vast majority of people are keeping up on world events, therefore get your information correct. You as a journalist have a fiduciary responsibility to tell the entire truth to the people. In this article you just come off Anti-Semitic and I personally resent it. If you want to be considered a good journalist, then don't be biased. You only insult those of us that can read.

Tim King: John, I am (perhaps slowly) realizing that many believe what you wrote, because the information in Israel is being blocked, seriously.  What is available to us is not available to you; that is problematic.  I wrote this to a person in Israel yesterday and it made this individual realize that these accusations are not true:

There is not a shred of truth in the anti-Semitism accusation.  You see we have to deal with white supremacists, right now I am deeply involved in a story about racism in Oregon's Dept. of Corrections.  It is about the racism that a black guard received.  The state's two witnesses were from the EK (European Kindred) gang.  The black corrections officer, my contact and newly established friend, won his case.  If you had any idea how insulting it is for you to call me, a real fighter of racism, an anti-Semite, is almost unrivaled.  What would you do if an actual racist/Nazi were causing problems?  Maybe you would be out of things to say, you used up all of your anti-Semite time on me and you guys call absolutely anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy that.  Do you even know that it isn't anti-Jew, but anti-Semitic language?  That means anti-Semitism is really disdane or hatred for Jews and Arabs.  Moreover, if you have paid any attention, you know that I specifically cite my Jewish and Israeli friends.  How can you dare to suggest I am anti-Semitical?  It is so bad, talk about outrageous. 

And tell me, since this agency and several others were very clear about the Flotilla's plans, locations, ship names, etc., you know that no secrets were held.   Honestly, I think there is hope, but not if you truly justify the boarding of that ship and the deadly attack.  I have friends on that vessel.  They could have killed Israelis, they did not.  Your point about everything with them having anything to do with violence is terrible and wrong.  They were boarded, geez!  Really!  What possible lens can you examine that through, to where you are complaining that people aboard a vessel defended it from invaders.  It was their ship!  It was in international waters, I will never stop exposing the truth.  I had a woman from Israel send me a zionist writing on Gaza, what a pack of lies, what mistruth.  They are making Israelis think everything is peachy, you have the weight of the world on your shoulders friend, you need to raise awareness about the right things, and why don't you take a trip to Gaza and see for yourself?  I am not trying to be mean or overbearing, it is just very upsetting, and there is too much propaganda in the air.  What about the fake Israeli recordings and audio insertions. Wait, don't tell me... Israel media never said the truth about that either.

Life is short, no group of people is better than another, that is the meaning of real anti-racism, and it does not exempt the people of Palestine.  I think you are a good person, I guess it is hard for both of us, but lets's try. 

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Alan June 20, 2010 8:10 am (Pacific time)

Tim King,

How many did YOU murder in the uniform of the USMC?

If anyone is the racist and anti-Semite bigoted bastard here it is a liar like you. But gosh, look at those who support YOU and your so-innocent, poor, suffering Palestinians. They'd make GREAT NAZIS.

Oh, Israel never did steal its OWN LAND, but hey, you're ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING Native American land. By what moral and legal right do you have to do so, pissant?

Thank God most American Marines and servicemen do know who are friends and allies are. In your obvious hatred of Jews, you certainly don't.

Tim King: Same question to you Alan, what you would you do if you were faced with actual Nazi's or a gang of white supremacists?  You would cry 'anti-Semite' only nobody will believe you anymore, because anti-Semite to you means, "person who criticizes Israeli politics" and that is very different.  You imply I hate people, and the only people I have a problem with are those who launch unsolicited deadly attacks on unarmed human beings.  That is the description of a coward not just in my book, but in the world's book.  Israel is like a playground bully gang that attacks the intellects because they are jealous.  Because the intellects have something they lack, so they are going to take it.  I was a peacetime Marine, not that it is any of your business, but why don't you take a look at the staff page for this news group and find out how many other former U.S. Marines in this very place alone, write truthful stories about Israel.  Dr. Alan Sabrosky and Gordon Duff quickly come to mind.   You call me a bigot, you are a liar, it is you who creates mistruths about Palestinian people while acting exactly like a racist, with your zionist entitlement problem.  There could be hope, but people like you make me think it isn't possible.  You wouldn't know an anti-Semite if if was slapping you in the face, and even as the jerk you are, I would still defend you.  After all, that is what Marines do.   

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Uri Silberman June 19, 2010 11:24 pm (Pacific time)

It is a shame that you censor your comments and remove the ones that prove how anti-semitic you are. It is probably because you can't deal with the facts you are shown.

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Alex June 19, 2010 3:50 pm (Pacific time)

I am delighted to add you to the Useful Idiots who confuse defense against terrorism with terrorism. Congratulations!!!!!

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Tim June 19, 2010 12:45 pm (Pacific time)

So, the Salem-News is what, a propaganda outlet for Hamas? Really nothing more than an insignificant flyspeck of a "newspaper" trying to be outrageous to get noticed. Not even blatant lies are off limits, apparently. Maybe with this article your circulation will increase from four readers to five, six if you're lucky. Keep printing this garbage, and you'll be applying for an Obama bailout alongside the NYT and other liberal rags so far outside the American mainstream that the marketplace is rejecting you.

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Don Stevens June 19, 2010 11:30 am (Pacific time)

I worked on the Voice of Peace for many years in international waters in the Eastern Med, and it was common for the Israeli Navy to come alongside the Peace Ship and check the vessel. These visits would take place at any time, and it was common knowledge that Israel did this. They have had a 50 mile defence line, certainly I saw Reshef Class funboats wey out to sea on patrol. If an agency is sending aid to Haza, Tim, they must know about this procedure, and it would be easier t unload aid cargo at El Arish, Egypt and it will be transported to Gaza by road. In the Peace Ship, if we needed supplies the Israeli authorities always directed us to Ashdod, which I think they do with aid convoys, unless the convoys are blockade runners, which is very dangerous. We had many visitors aboard the Voice of Peace to broadcast to the region from all faiths and nations, the Israeli's never gave us any trouble as long as we kept them up to date on our situation. Just thought I'd share this with you Tom.

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Connie June 17, 2010 6:47 am (Pacific time)

What a bunch of bull....tell me something Tim King, How does it feel to be a liar? How does it feel to side with known terrorists? How does it feel in your heart and soul to be a true Anti Semitic? You know darn well the flotilla was a set up to run that blockade that protects Israel against Hamas in Gaza. They were armed and ready to battle Israeli soldiers as they boarded the ship. The picture you paint of wheelchairs and dogooders are lies. Those peaceful activist made sure they had the stage set...It appears the SALEM WITCH HUNTS ARE STILL GOING ON. You all might want to perform an exorcist over Tim and the Salem news room. LOL

Tim King: You are the third in a single day to mistakenly assume this is Salem, Mass., I don't expect you to be an expert on US geography, but you are about 3,000 miles off, wrong Salem,  The Flotilla members were trying to assist the people of Gaza, who your country fails to treat with humanity.  It is prejudice to assume all people of any particular situation are all one particular way.  For example, I know there are many people forced to join the IDF who want nothing to do with violence, but Israel is a nation founded in violence.  Study history, learn why things are the way they are, and in the end remember that Israel has dropped a thousand times the deadly ammunition on Gaza in a attack, as Hamas has fired against Israel in all of history.  You need to check other news sources, get out of the informational hole you are living in, remember that taking care of the poor and hungry is not compromising your national security.  Humanity and Israel's war mission are in strong conflict here.   

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Dinah D June 17, 2010 2:49 am (Pacific time)

Mr. King, I see the heritage of witch burning has passed from generation to generation in Salem, unchanged through the centuries. Good on ya for your traditionalism, even if it's a tradition that belongs in history's trash bin. Thank you for op-edding half the world away from the middle east without a "shred of decency", as you put it, to examine the facts up close. Although, I'm afraid it may be too late for the likes of you. Don't let fact distract you from agenda... this article is laughable at best.

Tim King: OK, first you are clearly behind the Murder of peace activists trying to break an illegal siege, one born in racism, that makes me sad.  You approve of an armed militant group behaving like pirates on the open sea, in international waters, and I am bad for not writing more nicely about the attackers, that is your point right?  I am not nice enough to the armed Israel soldiers who are essentially the same people who stole Palestine in the first place, for illegally boarding a vessel that is unarmed,    But secondly, and I realize you are in Israel, but this is Salem, Oregon, not Salem, Mass. where the witch burning took place back in the 1600's.  I have to admire your approach, you are only about 3k miles off, but still it was a spirited try.  For your knowledge I fight racism every day, more than any other journalist I know, and I do it with the help of many.  You seem to suffer from that collective thought, that prejudice is a very bad thing, that is unless you inflict it on a Palestinian, that for people like you is perfectly acceptable, and of course you would want a person who offended a Jew to have a much more severe punishment than the other way around.  You are wrong on every single count, your Israeli prejudice is called onto the carpet here, and grounded.  We love Jewish people, we love Arab people, we love Christian people, we love all people except cold blooded killers who use religious fundamentalism as an excuse to kill.  At that point I again don't care what religion you are; I am against you if you use God's name to kill or oppress.  I think that places me on God's team, I have no idea what team you are on.  Salem, Oregon witch trials, that was funny!   

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aytekin özdemir June 3, 2010 1:09 pm (Pacific time)

israel only knows kiiling... and says they defend themselves... funny... did Hitler defend himself while killing jewish? the world must stop israel... otherwise israel will kill all...

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gp June 2, 2010 11:38 am (Pacific time)

Tommy the answer to your question is campaign contributions and political appointments the likes of Rahm Emmanuel. People who have served in other armies or hold duel citizenship should be barred from holding public office. AIPAC owns American Senate and Congress.

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Tommy D June 1, 2010 4:46 pm (Pacific time)

p.s. Can someome here please explain to me what exactly Israel holds over the U.S.? And why isn't this a national issue amongst rational thinking Americans?? Make your voices heard louder, folk in Scotland, and indeed the U.K. have did so the past decade and now the U.K. governments actually treat and see Israel for what it's worth. Prominent politicians in the U.K. even openly declare their "distrust" of Israels "lies and excuses" these days, as do the French, Spanish, Germans (i know...) and many other EU countries. But the world NEEDS the U.S. to adopt similar policy. WHY DOES ISRAEL HOLD SUCH INFLUENCE IN THE U.S. ?? Can anyone here please explain this because i thought the U.S. were the champions of modern democracy. Is this really a lie?

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Tommy D June 1, 2010 4:38 pm (Pacific time)

Steve June, you are an arse. You really are, typical ignoramus idiot. Have you any idea what the murderous, vile, disgusting illegal (Yes, ILLEGAL!) state of Israel has been doing in the illegaly occupied territories they claim (an absolute joke and a load of biblical bullhit, which they modernely made up themselves...i.e, re-written history re past 50 years to suit their own greedy ends...and the likes of you talk that kind of crap?! Are you stupid, plain ignorant or Pro-Israeli?? Or perhaps all three?? Piss off and learn some facts, if you did you wouldnt be talking out of your ass. What a tool.

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Steve June 1, 2010 1:45 pm (Pacific time)

There is no need for "humanitarian peace activists" to deliver anything to Gaza. I have seen pictures of the marketplaces and people are not starving or hurting for anything in particular. This was an organized PR stunt that worked to Hamas' benefit. There is a blockade which has been in existance for a long time. Israel put this in place for their national security. The supplies could have been trucked in but the "humanitarian peace activists" refused to do so. This is telling in itself. The next time, they should just put a shell below the water line and let them swim.

Tim King: You support: Murder, genocide, evil lying heartless sack

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Tommy D June 1, 2010 12:45 pm (Pacific time)

I just seen on TV today the US, once again, fail to condemn Israel after yet another attrocity. Furthermore, the US actually BLOCKED an independent international inquiry into the incident...What??!! What on earth is it that Israel holds over the US? Israel is, and always has been a murderous pariah state, it is only a democracy for those of the right faith and were it a Muslim state, would have been attacked by the US et-all and been HEAVILY sanctioned years ago. If the US actually took it's collective head out of it's ass, Israel would NOT be so smarmy and feel itself outwith international law. Its up to the US citizens to riase this with their particular politiocians and DEMAND answers and ations. Tommy from Scotland

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Chuck Palazzo June 1, 2010 12:17 am (Pacific time)

Please take note of the VFP Statement on same - and act! VETERANS FOR PEACE STATEMENT ON ISRAEL’S ATTACK OF AID FLOTILLA [] The world is reacting in righteous outrage at this moment to Israel's high seas attack on an international aid flotilla, reportedly killing up to 20 people escorting tons of humanitarian aid to Gaza in an effort to break Israel's three-year blockade. "Made in the U.S.A." is stamped on the weapons commandos used to kill and wound the international peace activists. We are saddened and we are angry. At least one of our own members, retired Army Col., Ann Wright, is among the 700 people aboard the boats attacked in the middle of the night. But we cannot say we are very surprised. Palestinians die quietly and unnoticed every day in Gaza, the world's largest open air prison, as a result of Israel's blockade and violent repression. Many of our 7,000 members in over 100 chapters are already organizing or will soon join the protests being organized across the U.S. We urge our members to use every nonviolent tactic available in the streets and in local Congressional offices to protest this attack. At the same time we demand Congress cut off U.S. military aid to Israel which has totaled over 32 billion dollars since 1997. Call (202) 224-3121 to speak to your Congressional Representative and Senator!!

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Armond May 31, 2010 7:58 pm (Pacific time)

It's funny how Israel always says it's defending themselves. They send tanks into the Gaza territory and start demolishing buildings with civilians inside - defending themselves. They bulldoze Rachel Corrie to death - defending themselves. They impose a blockade on a people just because they had a democratic election which did not favor Israel - defending themselves. They board civilian vessels with heavily armed troops and fire upon them in International waters - defending themselves! I dont think there is ANYTHING Israel could do where they're not going to spin it as defending themselves.

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Anonymous May 31, 2010 2:10 pm (Pacific time)

from anon 7:45 a.m. to anon 9:23 am. I just spent the last 60 minutes researching the link you sent. You should really check your facts. This is serious business. If you would actually research the link you sent, authors/editors, who they are, who bought off the danish, and ron ben-yishai etc. it would be easy to see everything from the entire link is all israeli propaganda. In fact, the zionists love people like you who do not research. And there was nothing bias about this headline, it stated fact. And heck yes Tim, I am upset too, because i know about the USS liberty, the breaking of the cease fire by israel (on our presidential election day when nobody was looking), and I know about their involvement in 911. The 5 israeli's filming it ahead of time is pretty much a smoking gun. These people are out of control. And they have nukes!

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Mike May 31, 2010 1:59 pm (Pacific time)

Why exactly does USA back Israel? What sort of hidden agenda do we have here?

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SULLY May 31, 2010 11:59 am (Pacific time)

Israel would not be able to launch these arrogant attacks upon civilians if the USA did not provide them with the weapos and money to do so. OBAMA has shown his complicity by not condemming Israel.America needs to wake up. Israel is a Gangster state.

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freedom words May 31, 2010 1:36 pm (Pacific time)

what has been stolen by force should be restored by force don't talk don't negociate just act build weaponery and destroy your ennemy

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Roger von Bütow May 31, 2010 12:17 pm (Pacific time)

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” — Napoleon Bonaparte

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Josh Akers May 31, 2010 12:14 pm (Pacific time)

I feel like a hostage, myself. A hostage of this mass of ignorance and hate because I know nobody will stand up to Israel with the USA standing behind them. My message to Israel, You have forgotten history and are doomed to repeat it. Man I'm getting tired of sitting on my hands when stuff like this happens. Maybe I can join a flotilla.

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Daniel Johnson May 31, 2010 10:28 am (Pacific time)

The Israelis may have stepped in it this time.

International waters? They can't justify it as self-defense. I think that, legally, they attacked the boats and if the activists actually did attack the commandos, it would be justifiable on the part of the passengers. Time for Israel to let Gaza go and look after their own internal cleansing.

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Anonymous May 31, 2010 9:23 am (Pacific time)

Check out this story. That might be the truth if you are interested
http://honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Special_Alert_Flotilla_Battle_Unleashes_Anti-Israel_Wave.asp

You are so anti Israel, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Get the whole story and then report it.
I'm sure you will be to chicken to report this.

Tim King: So you support the murder of these people?  Israel ventures out to sea after saying they would arrest people from the flotilla after they reached the coast.  Then members of Israel's military approaches, fires on the flotilla, boards a vessel by helicopter, murders up to possibly 20 people, and claims self-defense?  Rot in hell.,...  

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Chuck Palazzo May 31, 2010 9:01 am (Pacific time)

Outrageous and clearly an act of terrorism by the country who claims it is they who are the victims. The US, my own country, refuses to acknowledge, let alone condemn, the atrocities that continue to escalate by Israel. Silence is as bad as this barbaric act! The UN must step in and ACT against Israel once and for all! Semper peace! Chuck

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Avery May 31, 2010 9:00 am (Pacific time)

"Palestine is not the original home of the Jews. It was acquired by them after a ruthless conquest, and they have never occupied the whole of it, which they now openly demand. They have no more valid claim to Palestine than the descendants of the ancient Romans have to this country. The Romans occupied Britain as long as the Israelites occupied Palestine, and they left behind them in this country far more valuable and useful work. "If we are going to admit claims based on conquest thousands of years ago, the whole world will have to be turned upside down..." —Lord Sydenham, Hansard, House of Lords, 21 June, 1922. * "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English, or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct." —Mahatma Gandhi, Tendulkar, Mahatma, Vol. IV, 1938, p. 312.

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K May 31, 2010 7:52 am (Pacific time)

Israel attacks unarmed Americans? talk about a biased headline

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Vic May 31, 2010 7:50 am (Pacific time)

I wonder what Israel-Firster Ron "AIPAC" Wyden has to say about this...

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Anonymous May 31, 2010 7:45 am (Pacific time)

The American media is trying to spin this as hard as they can in favor of Israel, but here are the facts in defiance of FOX News latest broadcast.. HAMAS did not "seize control" of the Gaza strip; they won the election. The blockade of basic supplies to Gaza represents collective punishment by Israel against the people of Gaza, a crime under international law and a violation of several UN resolutions. The attack on the aid convoy took place in international waters. Israel has no legal authority over the ships of other nations in international waters. Israel may not issue orders to foreign flagged ships in international waters. Ships are considered sovereign territory of the nations whose flags they fly. Setting foot on one without the permission of the captain is technically an act of war. The aid convoy did not "attack" the IDF. The aid convoy, being in international waters, attempted to defend themselves from an act of piracy by a nation with no legal authority over those ships. The Israelis attacked with helicopters, machine guns, and tear gas. The ships' defenders had axes and a few knives AND EVERY LEGAL RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM AN ACT OF PIRACY.

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Douglas Benson May 31, 2010 7:40 am (Pacific time)

What happened to the video guys? Actually I read this on comcast first being my home page and all . How do they get away with these out and out lies that Hammas took over in a violent fashion in Palestine? Isnt Hammas the elected governing body in Palestine?
Why is cement a prohibited item?
As I stated earlier Israel has good reason to inspect shipments or at least have a third party do so with only weapons restrictions but this act like many many others should put them on the US sheet list. It wont .Welcome to the war on terror boys and girls ,nothing done by our goverment or any that we support in the name of the war on terror is too much .
When do we march? I will hold a sign ,sit in our represenatives office till he {or she] shows thier face ect.
Peace

Editor: Douglas, you've heard of the Google hole?  We are seeing a classic example of it, but I am pretty sure I can track it down again.

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NadePaulKuciGravMcKi May 31, 2010 6:07 am (Pacific time)

Bloodthirsty Israeli Massacre International Waters USS Liberty Redux Dead Press

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Anonymous May 31, 2010 2:40 am (Pacific time)

fu halil n king

Tim King: Thanks. 

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outagedaturracism May 31, 2010 2:38 am (Pacific time)

King's out and out hatred is vile. The ppl on board were armed and shot first at the Israelis. Would you be so vile against prison guards who shot at armed prisoners staging an insurrection? this was no innocent convoy

Tim King: This was a well publicized event, Israel maintains a wall around Gaza, it is a concentration camp.  Israel attacked 56 medical facilities during operation cast lead, they are treating Gazans like animals, the world is done with this.  The convoys have people like doctors and Nobel Prize winners.  They are real people, dedicated to helping the poor, the struggling and the oppressed.  Do I hate murder and unprovoked military attacks?  You bet I do.  There is not a shred of decency in Israel's actions. 

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Aurora May 31, 2010 1:11 am (Pacific time)

Thanks for the "news" in the first half. when you sink into editorializing and name-calling, i tune out. if this is supposed to be professional journalism, decide whether its a news article (facts only) or opinion piece and stick to it.

Tim King: You're right Aurora, it is hard to remain non-emotional while digesting this type of information. 

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Who I am. May 30, 2010 11:58 pm (Pacific time)

Hellfire upon the holy land shall rain. These acts are not without karmic consequence

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Halil May 30, 2010 11:36 pm (Pacific time)

In the international waters in a very volatile region and very much unfairly the international Aid to Gaza being attacked completely illegally and activists are being killed right before our eyes after a raid on the ships from boats and from air. What is this? I can see a great provocation that would involve initially Turkey in a likely war. Why Turkey? Because Turkey has been working on a peace plan also with the involvement of Brazillian president in the İranian crisis before another bloodbath if there may be an attack on İran just as Israel would have the lust for. After the attack on the ships, people in Turkey have been raged with the killing of the defenceless activists on board by the Israeli soldiers. To proveoke people further, Israel may have been swelling the number of murdered activists as high as 16 as what we hear latest on the news. Where is the world who have been casting blind eyes on the massacres of the sionist entity in the middle east? Don't any of us think we will not be harmed if a war breaks out in the region for the tyrannies committed and provoked the surrounding countries especially the killings and the tortures that have been going on for too long against the poverty stricken people of Palestine.

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