Why Did the Mormon Founders Hate Black People?

Nobody has to like it, but the facts are the facts; the religion has traditionally denied Blacks.

(SALEM) - With the nation's first Black President, there were so many bizarre things, like the way his name sounds like 'Osama' and the fact that his middle name is 'Hussein' - what were the odds? However nothing is stranger than knowing that Mitt Romney hails from a cult--like 'religion' that doesn't allow Black people to serve in their upper echelons.

Oh maybe technically the Mormons allow Blacks to attain high positions today... but I doubt it is anything more than a face-saving political move. I suspect that little has changed within the confines of this über secret church. Ritualistically, they're the Elk's Lodge of religious institutions and we all know old habits die hard.

One thing I found most interesting during my five years in the Las Vegas TV news market, was that almost all of the money in the big properties, is handled by Mormons who work as casino executives. Again, a supposedly religious organization allowing this type of contact with greed and gambling money screams conflict; I doubt God would be in sync with it.

If you just peel back a layer or two, and see beyond the veneer, you are confronted with facts about this group called LDS that are just not comfortable. In fact, they sound downright illegal.

Paint it Black

No matter how you stack it up, Mormon history is one of racial bigotry and there is no getting around that fact. Its subscribers adhere to scripture scrawled by some feeble brain in the 1820's who managed to achieve one more big split from traditional, legitimate Christian philosophy, as if the overly manhandled faith needed that.

Mormons simply customized and in effect, bastardized the words of God to fit the occasion. The knowledge that their racial philosophy was so tainted is plenty of determiner for any humanitarian.

And as the years have passed, the LDS or Mormons or whatever name they are using at the time, have not been able to get with the program in any way, shape or form. They made a religion and they made it hateful and prejudice.

Of course it is no secret that the Mormons are a 'fend for your own kind' mentality like the Israeli population. I think the message there is, "all others be damned" and I personally believe it is our responsibility to create a better world for all mankind and never let things turn so bleak, but apparently they don't see it that way.

Most people don't seek to be survivalists in a Mad Max world. Is it not better to engage in political activism and help prevent catastrophic problems, than to store food and guns for some creepy Biblical end game scenario?

But all that aside, the real problem with the LDS Church is its systemic racism. There is no excuse and it is a joke that both the multiple wives scenario and bigotry are what stands out so clearly about this group.

I think of the Buddhists; they reason that it isn't bad to be dark skinned or to be a woman, you just need to die and come back as a man to be truly 'great'. The Mormons are told that if they are good little humans, they get their own planet when they die. This proves that the motivation is not for the betterment of society, but to gain a great scene after you kick the bucket, what a joke.

Nothing like a shot of ultra patriarchal religion in your coffee. Oh wait, Mormons can't drink coffee either, is it because it's black?

Wikipedia explains that after the death of Joseph Smith, Jr., Mormon leaders starting with Brigham Young himself, instituted a policy of excluding people of black African descent from Priesthood ordination and from participation in temple ceremonies. You might be shocked as to why...

The first reference in Latter Day Saint writings describing dark skin as a curse and mark from God refers to Lamanites. The Book of Mormon, published in the late 1820s, states the following about a group of people who rebelled against God:

These practices of outright racial contempt continued in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) until the 1978 Revelation on Priesthood.

In other words, their early leaders who are full of shyster-like tendencies, created a religion so they could have multiple female sex partners, can you believe the horseshit? Smith pulled it out of a hat at what age... 14 was it? His demented prophesies about Black people lasted as official Mormon doctrine until 1978. That would be 115 years after Abe Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. It is a joke!

Remember too that bigots are little brains who likely had too many generations in their past cross breed. This is one of the biggest contributors to racial bigotry you know.... too many generations of inbreeding.

People of the LDS Church, I hope that you go to some effort to prove that you are beyond this archaic behavior.

I'm heavily disillusioned with Barack Obama, though I expect his win in the upcoming election was never a question and every minute the news dedicates to Romney is an exercise in futility.

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JOE September 11, 2015 8:28 am (Pacific time)

i am neither mormon nor christian, just american. i see smith and mormons as being racist as their bible states 'dark skin is a curse from god' but the chrisitan bible says you can beat your son to death if he is disobediant. every religion i believe was 'created' to subjugate people, look at tom cruise and scientology. greek gods, aztec gods, norse gods, cimmerian gods there are just too many and after time a new one appears......out of thin air. now my point being, yes mormon religion is/was based on discrimation and nailing lots of women, i'm all for that when i was say 15!! christian bible says i can sell my daughter into slavery as long as i need the money, to free the jews from egypt it is ok to kill innocent children and torture live stock, to become ot8 will cost you over $200,000. so tell me now, why do i need a god or a religion?

Joe September 29, 2014 11:12 am (Pacific time)

The writer of this piece is entitled to his opinion, as am I, so lets keep this civil. The author of this article does not understand our religion. He thinks he does, as do many, and they all feel we are blinded by our ignorance thinking we have been brainwashed, but I'll tell you it was hard for me to believe the religion before too, now I don't doubt. God has his reasons for everything, and I try not question His intentions anymore, but in the past I have. I questioned why people of African ancestry were not granted the priesthood. But now I do not, I trust in God and His Son. They know what they are doing. And just because you were in the Marine Corps does not mean you can say whatever you want. That is prideful, and pride is the most dangerous sin.

clint July 8, 2014 6:45 pm (Pacific time)

I tried to host a camp site as a volunteer for the usfs in afton wy a 98% Mormon town and had to leave. they hate

B. Aussie February 1, 2014 8:32 am (Pacific time)

I was typing from my phone so didn't get all the typos put of the way and in my passion for what I was saying I did type the savior of the world's name with a lower case C. I know he'll forgive me for that, but out of everything I said if that's all that stood out to you to respond to I guess any further discussion is irrelevant. Sorry I actually thought I might get a rational response. All the best.

No problem, I am sorry if you don't see my response as rational, if you want me to say something beyond what I feel I apologize, thank you for the clarification.

B. Aussie January 31, 2014 5:23 pm (Pacific time)

I'm not American so i don't understand all of your politics but I am a Mormon and would like to defend a few of your statements, (I am speaking purely on my own behalf not as a speaker for the church).

Uber secret church: this is not true, all of what we believe can be found in a multitude of places written by 'mormons', that failing just find a Mormon and believe me we won't shut up telling you exactly what we believe in.

Hateful and prejudice: no offense but I found this article to be exactly that. As for my faith, whether you believe we do or not, Jesus christ is the centre of our beliefs. We are a church that revolves around the family and service to our fellow man. (Not saying we are all perfect at that aspect but that is what we are taught).

You're right that in the early years of the church polygamy was alloud, and it did deny black people the priesthood, I can't give an explanation for this at this time because to be honest with you it is as far from what we are today as slavery is from what America is today. However since you've brought it to my attention I will be researching the matter and when I find out I will let you know.

As for some of the comments that we lure people in with christ then teach Joseph Smith. Well this makes me laugh. I guess people can see whatever they want to, and yes Joseph Smith is a part of our doctrine I'm not denying that but always and forever we talk of christ, we rejoice in christ, we teach of christ. He is the absolute core of our church, our savior and redeemer.

Well that's all I've got. I hope it isn't too long, and that I won't be ripped apart for my opinion.

You capitalize Joseph Smith but not Christ, that is wild. Just curious, is that you or are all Mormons taught to put the name Christ in lower case? You actually call an observer's report hate and prejudice when you in fact follow the teachings of a blatant racist? I don't mean to tear you apart but we are fully interactive. I know many wonderful Mormon or LDS people, I would never say anything less. However I have real concerns about people following yet one more relatively modern faith that involved a man who wanted to have sex with multiple women and pave a road for other male followers to do the same thing. Anyway, I disagree with you, and really find your direct disrespect for Christ offensive, that is just how it is.

lillith1941 December 19, 2013 9:02 pm (Pacific time)

Why did Joseph Smith dare to ordain Blacks in a racist American and slave state ambitious Missouri. So easy to see the motes in others even past the logs in ones own. An apostate is hardly a good source of anything--propaganda and an agenda to prove himself right while riding on the Devil's back IMO. Mormoms were driven out of slave state ambitious Missouri because they were not pro-slavery but don't let facts or reason get in the way of a delish story. So WASP of you.

Anonymous October 7, 2012 1:41 am (Pacific time)

Why Did the Mormon Founders Hate Black People? J, Smith was the only founder of the LDS Church and he aloud black to the preshood Elijah Abel – became the third known black convert to the LDS church, being baptized in 1832. He received the priesthood in 1836, and served 3 missions to Ohio, NY, and Canada. He helped build the Kirtland, Nauvoo, and Salt Lake Temples, received his washing and anointing in the Kirtland Temple. http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/03/09/early-black-mormons/ -

Peter Marlow July 20, 2012 8:32 pm (Pacific time)

One day many years ago, upon finally recognizing the folly of my pride, I quietly chose to believe in the existence of a God I knew nothing about – a good, all-powerful and all-knowing God of love. As I then expressed a sincere willingness to commit the rest of my life in humble service to Him, do His will and keep all of His commandments, holding nothing back, He right away sent the Holy Ghost to fill me with His love and prove to me that He lives and loves me with a love beyond mortal understanding. The feelings of peace and happiness He gave me in those moments were wonderful and beautiful beyond my ability to describe. As the intensity of that experience subsided and while still alone in my bedroom, I knelt to express my love and gratitude to Him. In that first prayer, I soon found myself hopelessly struggling with a very painful awareness of my fallen state – my unworthiness. I felt the unbearable agony of my sins. But within seconds, God revealed to me that forgiveness of sin is possible through Jesus Christ. Despite the fact that I then knew nothing about Jesus Christ, or even a need for forgiveness, I chose to believe. I sought this forgiveness through Jesus Christ and immediately He took away my guilt and restored my joy. He was then still only a name, but now a name of great hope and happiness. Trusting in God and allowing myself to be guided by His Spirit, the next day I started reading the Bible – the first time I had ever touched the book. That led me to want to join a church – any church. I was about to go out and go just that but God told me to wait, that not all churches are true, that He would soon bring the truth to me. Two weeks later, there was a knock on my door. Before I even opened it, He told me these were His messengers. Though I had never seen missionaries before and had never heard of their church, I listened very carefully by His Spirit for truth. His Spirit confirmed the truth of every word they spoke. Believing and trusting without doubt in God’s love and in the ability of His Spirit to guide me, I read the Book of Mormon and prayed to Him with faith in the Lord Jesus Christ concerning its truthfulness. And by His trusted Spirit, God revealed the truth of it to me. If I cannot trust God, who shall I trust? The words of men, their opinions, their traditions, their histories, their philosophies, their creeds, their many years of study, their preachers who will only preach for money? I trust in the LORD with all my heart and lean not on my own understanding, nor on the understanding of anyone else. The Lord will not lead me astray! So what is Christianity? Perhaps it can be summed up best in this one scripture: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) I believe in this Jesus Christ, that He is the only begotten Son of the Father, that He was given to us by His Father as a sacrifice for our sins because the Father loves us, and that only by believing in Him do we have eternal life. So, why this need to disparage and mock me? I know God loves me. He allows me, a Mormon, to continually experience – to feel deep within my soul – the greatness of His love and a very real and joyful forgiveness of my sins through Jesus Christ. Who will believe in this Jesus Christ, who was begotten and given by the Father? Who will dare to set aside the words of men and put all their trust in God and allow themselves to be led by His Spirit? The traditional Nicenian Religion – which deceptively calls itself Christianity – teaches men that they cannot rely on the Spirit. It withheld the Bible for many hundreds of years for fear that people might guide themselves by a book. It continues to teach that ordinary individuals cannot trust the Spirit of God for a knowledge of the truth, that only the interpretations of the Bible made by their learned Pharisees should be trusted. They teach men to not trust in God. How can Nicenianism be Christianity? In their Nicene Creed – created over 300 years after Christ, not a part of the Bible, but worshipped with equal fervor as the Bible such that those who do not accept it are hated as non-Christian heretics – in this creed, the true nature of the relationship between the Father and the Son is undone. In it, the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father. They are a “Trinity” of “one substance” – words not found in the Bible. This is where Nicenianism fails. Instead of believing the true teaching of the Bible (and Book of Mormon) that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,” they wrongly believe that He gave Himself as His Son. Therefore, they cannot understand the true nature of God’s love for His Son and for each of us, also His children. Their inability to believe in the Son as the Son may actually disqualify them from everlasting life. What are the fruits of this failure of Nicenianism? The most pernicious fruit is their bigoted intolerance of those who believe differently, the desire to silence them, even by murder. It started with the burnings at the stake by the Catholics, then the Protestants (Why don’t you learn about what John Calvin did to Michael Servetus just for disagreeing with his concept of the Trinity?), and continued even through the past century with the murders of Mormons (and, of course, Blacks, Jews and Catholics) by their Klu Klux Klan, a product of their Nicenian mentality. That bigoted mentality is still evident today in their anger at the LDS Church, their desire to tear down Mormonism on the basis of nothing more than their flawed interpretations of the Bible and their flawed understanding of the teachings of the LDS Church (which they could easily rectify by consulting mormon.org instead of their wildly misleading sources of misinformation). The fruit of true Christianity is love and trust in God, peaceably allowing all to experience the freedom He gives each of us to believe according to the dictates of our own conscience, and to love all as a brother or sister, regardless of what they choose to believe. By their fruits you will know them. I testify in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that I know by the unmistakable power of the Holy Ghost, as sure as I know of my own existence, that Jesus Christ is the Lord, our Savior and Redeemer, that the Bible and the Book of Mormon are both true, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the work of the Lord, His restoration of His original Christian church, restored by Him through a man He had called as a prophet, Joseph Smith, and led by Christ today through living prophets and apostles. Imagine that! Don’t believe because of my words. My words have no power to save. Likewise, don’t turn away because of the words of another (don’t be discouraged by those who teach that you cannot trust God). Seek the word directly from God. If you trust Him and present to Him a loving desire to follow Him and do His will, He will give it to you. And it will be wonderful and beautiful beyond what you can imagine. I invite you to read the Book of Mormon and ask God if it is true. Ask with a sincere heart, having faith in Him, and get His unmistakable assurance of its truthfulness. I did that. I got it. I lovingly encourage you to trust God and seek to get it, too. Don’t be afraid. He loves you. He will not lead you astray.

Editor: Please limit posts in size, too much text, thanks.

Anonymous July 19, 2012 1:15 pm (Pacific time)

The upcoming election, as hard as many of you hope, is not about Romney, conservatives, Mormons, etc., it is about Obama and his failed policies. He has conned all of you who still support him. To imagine that you would continue to vote for this hustler who hates America, and who certainly is a racist, is actually pretty funny, and is why I am a firm supporter of both abortion and developing a comprehensive Eugenics program.

Tim King: You are a nonsensical bigot and a paid shill, I recognize your IP. Your opinions are worthless.

Anonymous July 18, 2012 10:46 am (Pacific time)

THis stuff is simple if you research. Its compartmental, there are many in FBI,CIA,Military, Catholic, Jehovah witness, Mormons that are good people. It is the underlying lies they dont see. Hopefully one day, they will see the foundation of evil that they conform to, and support, and become their own person. as Jesus Christ said. Know what I do sometimes? I forget everything I was ever taught, I pretend I am a space alien just passing the earth. I see all the corruption, lies, but I also see the worship and good people. The best way to learn, is to forget everything we have been taught. Religion, government,etc. As I did this, I found that the basic opinions of the words of Christ rang in beauty. As mentoned, I will not go to a church that fools people with Christ then shoves some guy named joseph smith down my throat. THAT my friends, is DECPEPTION, and it is EVIL. Period.

D. Fredricks July 18, 2012 10:45 am (Pacific time)

Timmy, poor timmy. You and your other criminal workers are a sorry excuse for "reporters." Between your photographer being a complete a-hole and your hack wife and kid, you guys make bloggers look like MSNBC. Find a new hobby, would ya?

Tim King: Thanks for the nice compliment.

Anonymous July 18, 2012 8:48 am (Pacific time)

It is very easy to write all kind of scum about Christans and Mormon. Why don't you writ about Islam? The peaceful Islam? The truth about Islam. Rapists, terrorists, child abuses, wife abuses, marrying little girls,nsexual abuse andbrape on little boys. Racists, hate Christians and Jews. If you don't have the balls to write the truth about these throwbacks, I will do it for you. And I don't give a damn about the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR, there are nothing but terrorists for me. So nowninlike to see another report, headline "Muslims, the terrorists, killers, rapists, child molesters and wife beaters"

Editor: You want me to pass the buck? I think Islam is as good as any religion, at least it is an actual religion rather than an offshoot.

Anonymous July 18, 2012 6:02 am (Pacific time)

Wow ... That article was amature-hour, no matter how many years of "experience" the writer claims.

Johnny Five July 18, 2012 3:52 am (Pacific time)

Jimmer.

Guido July 18, 2012 3:11 am (Pacific time)

I'm not even Mormon and yet I wana kick your scronny ass if I find you!

Tim King: Ha ha! That was funny, 'scronny'- sorry you can't spell fifteen words without killing two of them. I live in Salem, Oregon by the way, I'll keep a light on for you.

Dave Munden July 18, 2012 1:21 am (Pacific time)

"Apparently reformers haven't gotten very far in this man made religion."

This article is like the pot calling the kettle black. ALL RELIGIONS ARE MAN MADE!

Tim King: I guess you have me dead to rights on that point Dave. I just look at the monotheistic faiths when I say that; if you believe them then you believe God inspired all of this, Moses and all of that. But still you are right, religion is a creation of man..

Jim Wheeler July 17, 2012 11:29 pm (Pacific time)

Clearly a Mormon kid made fun of poor time back in 7th grade and he hasn't gotten over it....

Jim Wheeler July 17, 2012 11:26 pm (Pacific time)

Who is this Tim character? Why I'd Salem news hire a 14-year old bully to write crap he got from Wikipedia? What passes for news these days... Sheesh.

Tim King: Low brow stuff there Jim, actually I am a former US Marine and I've covered combat ops in Iraq and Afghanistan. News is a bitch when it reveals your sicko belief system I guess? Want to know who I am? I'm the guy in school who slapped the shit out of a guy like you for bullying his girlfriend, or picking on a handicapped kid. I'm the guy who made you look like shit in front of your little rich white peers. I know people can't control being born with less intelligence, as you obviously were Jim. I tried to hint at that, the inbreeding makes it hard for guys like you, I am really sorry you are saddled with that.

Smith July 17, 2012 10:24 pm (Pacific time)

This is a sample from an award winning writer?

David in Colorado July 17, 2012 10:22 pm (Pacific time)

All I can say is wow. The Obama supporters are attacking the Church quicker than I thought they would. Desperation. I know many African-American members of the Church will publicly state that they do not feel the slightest touch of racism. I would suggest that you contact Darius Gray or Marvin Perkins to get a more accurate explanation of the statements in the Book of Mormon about the so-called curse of a dark skin. It has to do with spiritual darkness from disobedience to God's commandments. In Jacob it talks about how the scales of darkness will be taken from them if they return to the Lord. Denying blacks the priesthood for many years was a practice that the Church corrected through revelation from a prophet of God. Be careful how you judge the past.

Tim King: How did a spiritual darkness come to affect and exclusively be applied to African-Americans and other Blacks? So you have a token Black or two who are part of the group, but we live in the land of Colin Powell and the Blacks willing to be GOP and act white have rewards, yet they sell out their entire race in the process... hmmm. Sounds problematic to me from beginning to end. I think the teachings of Joseph Smith are pure hogwash.

Just another racist Mormon July 17, 2012 10:20 pm (Pacific time)

Tim, thanks for this very informative post on how racist 14,000,000 people are (including half a million or so in Africa) because of some stuff that happened over 100 years ago. I guess the fact tht Joseph Smith fought for the freedom of slaves means little to you? I would also guess that the millions of dollars in humanitarian aid the church has spent on black people doesn't mean anything to you? You are entitled to your opinion, even when it is completely off base. Just like I'm entitled to my opinion which is that you are a bigoted piece of crap.

Tim King: Well racist Mormon, you almost got through that without being a snivly little asshole. I got new for ya', my people challenge fascist racism every day and if you think your little name calling episode has meaning, know it does not. Salem-News writers are hated all over the world by all kinds of racism supporters like you. I think Smith was a crock and that your little faith is a demeaning curse upon women and minorities and I have no problem telling you that. I just discovered that your little abolitionist hero moved to a slave state and became oddly accepting of slavery. So much for Mormon heroics I guess.. I think it is close to theatrics.

Diego July 17, 2012 10:10 pm (Pacific time)

This is one of the WORST articles I have ever read on the subject of Mormonism. Poorly researched, lack of context, lack of evidence and proper sources. Using Wikipedia as a source?? Tim you do know that ANYONE can go into Wikipedia and change things right?

Tim King: Yes, and the LDS is the first to ensure that people are not adding false information. I take it you are questioning the facts I have stated?. I have people I am very close to who were part of the LDS church for years. One of the worst articles? Is that because it exposes things others have not revealed? I could go and get the information from many sources.

You didn't even mention the name of the church! The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. Tim if you go around searching for a chapel with the name Mormon Church on it.. you will be searching for a very very long time...beacuase they DON'T EXIST!!

Tim King: I lived in Las Vegas for five years, I am familiar with that aspect, yet are you suggesting it does not apply? You think you can just morph Mormonism into something different? Are your teachings not from Joseph Smith? When did it stop being Mormon? Really, I think it still very much applies as a word.

As far as your claims of racism...Jospeh Smith was an abolitionist some of the first people taught the gospel by the early saints were Native Americans, at a time when Native peoples were hated. Missionaries during the 19th century were not just sent to Europe, but India, Palestine, Turkey, Latin America, the South Pacific, and all over world including Africa.

Tim King: Right, then he moved to a slave state and stayed quiet. My friends challenge systems and they sometimes die in the process, it is a big commitment to be a humanitarian. Did you read this article? So he thought they should not be slaves, nor should they be able to hold high positions in the church BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK. Please, get it straight and just admit what you have to admit Diego.

As far as your Book of Mormon excerpt, to give proper context, the Lamanites were a wicked people and as such were marked with a physical change to distinguish them from God's people. Just like the Jews were commanded by God to be circumsied to create a PHYSICAL difference between them and the non-jews.

Tim King: What? The Jews cut the end of their boys' penises off, that is why they are circumcised. They are mutilated by their parents and doctors, for God's sake think about what you are saying, it is a bit creepy to read your stuff here man.

Later in the Book of Mormon, both groups Nephites and Lamanites come together and intermix to become one people:
4 Nephi 1:2-3, 17
2 "And it came to pass in the thirty and sixth year, the people were all converted unto the Lord, upon all the face of the land, both Nephites and Lamanites, and there were no contentions and disputations among them, and every man did deal justly one with another"
3 "And they had all things common among them; therefore there were not rich and poor, bond and free, but they were all made free, and partakers of the heavenly gift."
17"There were no robbers, nor murders, neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but were in one, the childern of Christ, and heirs to the kingdom of God."

Tim King: Same thoughts, bizarre to say the least knowing the church didn't even make the change until nearly the end of the 20th Century. You are espousing frivolous statements in a weak defense of something that can not be defended. I know you don't choose to be born into any culture or church, but you can bet your bottom dollar that there is no excuse tied to this apparent cultural brainwashing and general non acceptance of glaring facts.

Salem-news.com Please Please Please fire Tim King for incompetence!!!

The Management: We love Tim King

one-time-reader-only July 17, 2012 10:05 pm (Pacific time)

what's so interesting is this libiot goes after mormons, who never owned slaves and skips over the real racism. his entire argument is that mormons wouldn't ordain blacks to something he doesn't believe in.

Editor: 'Libiot'- is that the same label you would attach to Christ, who was liberal?

Merrill July 17, 2012 9:57 pm (Pacific time)

Glad, I read. I learned so much about my religion from someone I guess is an expert because he said he studied religions. I guess since you are American you are a racist because America allowed slavery 150 years ago. I have been a member for over 30 years and have never heard a rasict thing come from the pulpit of my church. This article is pure political BS.

Tim King: Look Merrill, this is a strange thing to almost all of the world, and the Mormons don't see it because they are it. So you're OK with Black people being denied? If so we simply conclude that you are a little brain and you will have no positive impact in this world if that is the case. We have to have the wisdom to look at what and who we are from the outside. You think it is OK to be part of a group that rewrote the Bible 200 years ago for no particularly good reason? Whatever, you can see it as you wish, I am just glad this cult has not had more reach than it has.

Rusty Shackleford July 17, 2012 9:47 pm (Pacific time)

This is a great article...

...for me to poop on.

Tim King: Gonna give your hand a rest eh rusty?

Jacob Fechter July 17, 2012 9:45 pm (Pacific time)

What a terrible article. What did I ever do to you?

Beer man July 17, 2012 8:31 pm (Pacific time)

the Mormon church dosnt sound that bad coming out the mouth of a 14 year old have all the women you need untilyour blue in the face from shaging. God said to get down get funky boogie.

Anonymous July 17, 2012 4:25 pm (Pacific time)

mental illness is following some man made religion, with the weirdest rules...i studied religions, and did not just study but went and visited the churches..mormons bring you in with Jesus, but the minute you get thru the door its nothing but joseph smith.....trojan horse and using Christ to fool them..I have several times asked mormons, when did momonism start? they dont have a clue. And some guy named joseph smith is supposed to me my leader and guide? Please.
Jehovah witness is weird also. When I visited their church, they passed around communion, and nobody can partake unless they are part of the 144,000? Please. They already have over 144,000 and are wondering what to do now. I could go on and on. Religion is a man made tool to control...The true Jesus Christ, gives freedom. Jesus was not a religion, He spoke words of truth for those who have ears.
The mormons ARE bigoted against blacks, I know of this, and I stand with Tim King on this subject. And I am not a brainwshed religion fanatic..in fact, know of john hagee? I hope he dies in hell forever, the SOB.
Many will come in My name, and I know them not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh4nNdNJ_U8

Tim King: I enjoyed this, thank you so much.

Anonymous July 17, 2012 3:48 pm (Pacific time)

So Tim, considering that Sen. Reid, Majority Leader, is an elder in the Mormon faith, you think he should resign? Of course he has not put forth a budget since Obama was elected 3 and 1/2 years ago, that alone should call for his resignation, but couple that with his potential racism, maybe he should be written about by you? Then how about those of other ideologies (religion is an ideology that generally is dynamic [transforming]) especially those that destroy religious artifacts not of their religion, like those Buddists statues number of years ago, remember?...should they also be catigated as racists? So what religion should we look for in a candidate? Thanks Tim

Tim King: I worked in Las Vegas for five years and had many encounters with Mr. Reid. He isn't a very nice guy. You think he is a racist specifically? I certainly did not encounter that aspect of his personality. I am just looking at the history of a faith that makes little sense, and I don't care how big or well funded it is. The last comment included the quote from Jesus, "Many will come in My name, and I know them not." - Jesus

I think that quote alone covers it.

Another term that comes to mind regarding that guy Joseph Smith is false prophet. One interesting side note, is that I witnessed a friend from the LDS Church who I worked with in TV, bring an anti-gay marriage petition to the TV station, that went over like a lead balloon. Is Reid a racist because he belongs to the church? I don't think so. As a democrat he has absolutely helped the poor and he stood up against Bush when nobody expected it. In fact that was very motivating to see as I had him nailed for being little more than a wet noodle of a man. But hey, its a free country right? Just strike the racism and carry on..

Eric Olsen July 17, 2012 1:12 pm (Pacific time)

I usually don't comment on articles full of bigotry but since this is from my home town I make an exception. This article is full of lies and dispersions. To reply to them would be a waste of time. One thing about bigots is that they cannot be reasoned with. In fact there has been talk in the mental health community that bigotry in its extreme could be classified as a mental illness. The author definitely is very bitter and has an agenda. Trusting in his conclusions would be liking going to a very bitter exspouce to determine the character of the former spouse. lds.org might be a more accurate source for information than this bigotted dribble.

Editor: I see, so my objections to the Mormons' racist behavior amounts to bigotry? I only wish I was making it up or embellishing. Your comments make as much sense as the rest of it.... which means it is a big fat zero. You won't take apart what I said because it is totally accurate and you can't change it. Want to see a bigot, look in the mirror, that is my suggestion.

Greg July 17, 2012 12:51 pm (Pacific time)

Shame on Salem-news.com for printing this mean spirited, narrow minded hatchet job.

Editor: Greg: What on earth do you mean? You are ticked that we don't like racism? What gives?

Anonymous July 17, 2012 8:53 am (Pacific time)

Great choices the elite/elite owned media shoves down our throats yes? Then they tell us we have a democracy and a choice..yeah right, great choices they shove down our throats, and thru the media the social engineering works in their favor. This is why we need the Constitutionand the republic, because democracy does not work. Two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner, and those who have the money can control the 51% right into tyranny. The republican party has completely lost its way.. The founding fathers said " here is your republic, if you can keep it". Too many are brain dead and dont understand what that means. Its either the republic, or tyranny, watch and see, its already happening. The republican/demcrat parties are a complete hoax now, controlled totally by the elite. The elite want us either a slave, or dead. Enjoy.

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