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Feb-24-2010 15:36printcommentsVideo

Mainstream Media Questions Inaccuracies in 9/11 Story

The Washington Times publishes story questioning official account.

Newly released photos of New York on September 11, 2001 by the NY Police Association
Newly released photos of New York on September 11, 2001 by the NY Police Association

(SALEM, Ore.) - The mainstream press is showing interest in a taboo, however glaring subject; the inconsistencies in the Bush White House 9/11 account.

As The Washington Times reports today, "A lingering technical question about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks still haunts some, and it has political implications: How did 200,000 tons of steel disintegrate and drop in 11 seconds? A thousand architects and engineers want to know, and are calling on Congress to order a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center."

The problems with the official federal stories are endless and according to some of the world's top minds, the suggested account is impossible[1].

When we first began to write about these seemingly pressing questions, our Web Designer Matt Lintz caught the U.S. Air Force attempting to hack into Salem-News.com[2].

One person who has never let the matter fade away is Richard Gage. He's a San Francisco architect and founder of the nonprofit Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Gage told The Washington Times, "In order to bring down this kind of mass in such a short period of time, the material must have been artificially, exploded outwards."

The federal government wants you to believe that fires brought the buildings to the ground, yet in all recorded history, no fire has ever toppled a skyscraper. They burn to the framework but they don't fall down.

Even if it was possible, the World Trade Towers were the least likely candidates. The steel core design of these buildings would not have come down, even if the building collapsed.

Even when you get past that, perhaps finding ways to justify the impossible "official" circumstances, how on earth could any logical explanation account for Building 7?

This is curious, I would suggest that half of all living Americans still don't realize that a third building also came down that day, and it wasn't hit by an airplane. But it did contain a lot of records that certain members of the financial industry didn't miss. Then there are the billions of dollars in missing gold evacuated just before Building 7 pancaked to the ground.

The words of Gage are reflected all over the nation in universities and engineering firms. The Trade Tower buildings were specifically designed to withstand the impact of a jet liner, specifically. Jet fuel is similar to diesel and it doesn't burn very hot. Firefighters, talking on radios, talked about how the aircraft crash fire in one building were going to easily be extinguisher by a few firefighters.

One of our writers, Jeff Gates, suggested that the only country that benefited from the ensuing wars is Israel.

"For instance, a skilled game theorist could foresee that, in response to a 911-type mass murder, "the mark" (the U.S.) would deploy its military to avenge that attack. With phony intelligence fixed around a preset goal, a game theory algorithm could anticipate that those forces might well be redirected to invade Iraq-not to avenge 911 but to pursue the expansionist goals of Greater Israel{3].

Enforcing that thought, our writer Maidhc Ó Cathail wrote, "The day after 9/11, Benjamin Netanyahu let slip that the deaths of almost 3,000 Americans was 'very good' for Israel. In particular, the mass murder was very good for an emerging sector of the Israeli economy. In Laboratory for a Fortressed World, Naomi Klein detailed the post-9/11 “explosion of Israel’s homeland security sector.”[4]

FOX News on Israel and 9/11, Part 1. Parts 2, 3 and 4 below.

Another Salem-News.com writer, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, wrote about the connection between 9/11 and Israel in the article, Treason, Betrayal and Deceit: The Road to 9/11 and Beyond, "Second, only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel’s Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the 'who benefits' principle: Mossad."[5]

The answers remain tangled up. Many Americans believe questioning the government over this is unpatriotic, then they turn around and burn effigies of Obama at tea bagger parties. I say it is highly unpatriotic and even disingenuous, to not question facts about the integrity of this nation.

I won't even start on Shanksville and the Pentagon; those stories are packed with more holes and in your face inconsistencies than there is time for in this report, but I have written about the Pentagon in particular, at great length[6].

The tragedy of September 11th 2001 is so far reaching that we could never truly describe it. The event was the reasoning to launch two very costly, ongoing wars. The very notion of Arab terrorists selecting the day that is synonymous with emergency response in the U.S. is as hard to believe as the "terrorists" passports recovered so conveniently on the sidewalks in New York that day.

The Washington Times cites how Gage, a member of the American Institute of Architects, managed to persuade more than a thousand of his peers to sign a new petition requesting a formal inquiry.

"The official Federal Emergency Management [Agency] and National Institute of Standards and Technology reports provide insufficient, contradictory and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction. We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials."

Gage says technical issues surrounding the collapse of the towers have prompted years of debate, rebuttal and ridicule.

The article cites how he is particularly disturbed by the fall of the 47-story skyscraper, Building 7. This engineer says, like the other two buildings, tower 7 fell in "pure free-fall acceleration."

He also talked about how more than a hundred first-responders observed flashes and explosions during the fall of the towers.

Even more disturbing evidence Gage says, are "multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft. at 60 mph". He also talked about the "mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking."

Firefighters and Trade Tower employees en mass reported explosions before the buildings came down. They also talked about building closures in the weeks preceding 9/11, and men carrying large amounts of equipment into the elevator shafts.

Most experts agree that the buildings could only have come down the way they did if they were imploded. Experts who perform this type of work, common in places like Las Vegas, at least before the nation's economic downturn, place the main explosives in the elevator shafts, but also in many other strategic locations in a building's structure.

If you watch the World Trade Towers fall in slow motion, it is easy to observe what appear to be a series of planned explosions, running essentially the length of each building.

Gage says evidence of "advanced explosive nano-thermitic composite material" was found in the World Trade Center dust. Of course Rudy Gulliani, mayor of New York at the time, had all of the building evidence shipped away from the state almost immediately.

There is a long list of federal investigators who say they were not allowed to do their jobs or complete the investigation. Tie this to the revelations in 9/11 Commissioner John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, where the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version is almost entirely untrue, according to our writer Gordon Duff, and you just might be lifting a corner of the dirtiest rug that ever was used to suppress truth[7].

Gage says the group's petition at ae911truth.org is already on its way to members of Congress.

He Told The Washington Times, "Government officials will be notified that 'Misprision of Treason,' U.S. Code 18 (Sec. 2382), is a serious federal offense, which requires those with evidence of treason to act."

"The implications are enormous and may have profound impact on the forthcoming Khalid Shaikh Mohammed trial."

For me, the biggest story here is that a mainstream member of the press published this article, I am amazed and encouraged. It is hard to suggest that we have perhaps been had in the biggest and worst way possible, but honesty is the only thing that matters.

References:

[1] Apr-07-2006 : Huge Contradictions in Official Theories on 9/11 Crash at Pentagon - Tim King Salem-News.com

[2] Apr-16-2006: U.S. Air Force Hackers Caught in Their Tracks by Salem-News.com - Tim King Salem-News.com

[3]Oct-20-2009: How Israel Wages Game Theory Warfare - Jeff Gates Salem-News.com

[4] Jan-20-2010: The Merchants of Fear: Israel's Profiting from Homeland Insecurity - Maidhc Ó Cathail Salem-News.com

[5] Sep-10-2009: Treason, Betrayal and Deceit: The Road to 9/11 and Beyond - Alan Sabrosky Salem-News.com

[6] Mar-21-2006: What Really Hit The Pentagon? - Tim King Salem-News.com

[7] Sep-11-2009: The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies - Gordon Duff Salem-News.com

Also, this video from CoreofCorruption.com which was released just over a year ago, details the information regarding four alleged "art students" who had free access to the Trade Towers, including construction passes, in the immediate weeks preceding 9/11:

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Tim King is a former U.S. Marine with twenty years of experience on the west coast as a television news producer, photojournalist, reporter and assignment editor. In addition to his role as a war correspondent, this Los Angeles native serves as Salem-News.com's Executive News Editor. Tim spent the winter of 2006/07 covering the war in Afghanistan, and he was in Iraq over the summer of 2008, reporting from the war while embedded with both the U.S. Army and the Marines. Tim holds numerous awards for reporting, photography, writing and editing, including the Oregon AP Award for Spot News Photographer of the Year (2004), first place Electronic Media Award in Spot News, Las Vegas, (1998), Oregon AP Cooperation Award (1991); and several others including the 2005 Red Cross Good Neighborhood Award for reporting. Serving the community in very real terms, Salem-News.com is the nation's only truly independent high traffic news Website. You can send Tim an email at this address: newsroom@salem-news.com




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psikeyhackr February 19, 2012 4:44 pm (Pacific time)

In 2001 the Empire State Building was 70 years old. It was designed without electronic computers. So how is it the 43 years after the Moon landing the nation which accomplished that feat of Newtonian Physics cannot tell the entire world the distributions of steel and concrete down the towers? Has the US forgotten the Conservation of Momentum?


Hytec February 5, 2012 8:37 am (Pacific time)

check that..this is almost 2 years old, Mike Rivero.


Hytec February 5, 2012 8:33 am (Pacific time)

@ Mike Rivero,

This was published almost a year ago. How does that tie into your "subtle warning"? I have been researching since 9.11.2001 and believe that many of the questions raised in the piece remain unanswered and deserve a real investigation. We also know that the powers that be won't ever let that happen. I am confused about how this very well written peice has anything to do with the saber rattling going on towards Iran right now. 

Editor: Another article ran yesterday that was about mainstream coverage of 911, somehow this article came back into the search results.  This article was widely read when it was published and led to the writer's being interviewed on Russia TV.  If you are interested, Salem-News.com's Tim King Appears Live on Russia TV America Over 9/11 Controversy - Salem-News.com Staff  


colin February 5, 2012 2:49 am (Pacific time)

think about it,israel wants the us to attack iranamerica is dragging their heels so the jewish controlled american media is starting to threten to spill the beans on 911,how long before the traitors in the us government will hold back,the israelis will make it out that the americans made them do it,but the american government will be made to be the main culprit/


PAUL ISAAC February 5, 2012 12:22 am (Pacific time)

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N2 It. February 5, 2012 12:07 am (Pacific time)

O, well done. Yes; Israel was at the helm, and now it is more obvious than ever (look at the debates). Both Dems and Repugs are in their wallet, cooked and paid for by an elite few.


kaycee February 4, 2012 10:03 pm (Pacific time)

The one thing that i remember the most clearly over the past 39-40 years of my school days at Brandeis University in1970's are my student adviser's words that when he was growing up that his grand parents and parents used the term "‘goyishe kup,’" meaning that the "Non-Jews are Stupid" Later in life I learned that the exact translation of "GOYISHE KUP" means that the "Cattle are STUPID".. I remember him recalling whatt his father told him when he was growing up in Eastern Europe. One of them being that when his father was in high school he and a group of friends would skip school early on Fridays and go over to his friend's father's butcher shop. That they would buy at cost any cows , that had not been butchered by the end of the day on Friday before the begining of shabat . They would take the cow home and wash it and then the boys would procede to "beat the udders of the cows so that they would swell up and turn pink" so as to sell them to the "GOYISHE KUP" as milk producing cows. The part that I remember him asking me if the East Europeans are so naive, so gullible and so stupid to buy old "non milk producing cows" from a bunch of young Jewish Boys. So thinking of it now I agree with the Jewish saying that the "GOYISHE KUP" are indeed" Stupid" as they believe that a Bunch of Arab Muslim Kids who were not able to Fly a Cessna Airplane took it upon themselves to FLY a Boing Jumbo Jet outwitting the US Military and Civilian authorities. The "Jewish Lightning Insurance Scam" of the 1960's is still alive and well has been put to good use by Larry Silverstein with the help of his sayanim jews made a financial killing in imploding wtc by putting 15 million down and comming out with 7 billion dollars for buidings that no one wanted to buy because it would have cost a billion dollars to remove the asbestos from. Then on top of that the people in America actually believe that they actually decide who is elected President or for that that actual VOTE is really counted and makes a difference in deciding who represents them in the White House and congress. http://www.bollyn.com/index.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso http://www.911missinglinks.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnpujfanUM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeggPSL3gQs Yeh I agree that the AmericanNon-Jews are indeed American "GOYISHE KUP" or "STUPID CATTLE"! The Israeli Defense Firm That Tallies The Iowa Caucus By Christopher Bollyn 1-1-8 The Iowa caucus is only a few days away and the nation's attention will be directed to the results, which signify the beginning of the U.S. presidential race. But does anyone watch who tallies the results of the Iowa caucus? The Iowa caucus results were tallied in 2004 by a company that is headed by a man whose company was bought by Elron Electronics, the Israeli defense firm. I suspect that it will be the same this year. Don't expect to see any grassroots political activists doing the tally in Iowa. The Israeli defense establishment takes care of that part of the American "democratic" election process. VOXEO In the summer of 2004, I first learned that a foreign and out-of-state company using Interactive Voice Response (IVR) technology tallied the Iowa caucus results. The system used to tally the 2004 Iowa caucus results was provided by a company called Voxeo, which was apparently based in Orlando, Florida. (Yellow flag goes up in the mind of those familiar with Orlando and electronic vote fraud history


ewingsc February 4, 2012 4:27 pm (Pacific time)

Local New Zealand Newspaper runs 911 Truth story

http://uncensored.co.nz/2012/02/01/kapiti-newspaper-runs-911-truth-story/


zugzwang February 4, 2012 1:21 pm (Pacific time)

Almost 11 years late don't ya think? Why the sudden interest? (Not trolling)


George Archers Canada Toronto February 4, 2012 12:25 pm (Pacific time)

Bush regime was in office 8 months and 911 happened.fact is that this bombing operation was years in the making. Billy Clinton was in on it since 1996. He approved the contracts for building of Concrete Bunker busting Bombs.Only these bombs could have pulverized concrete in WTC 1 and 2 and blown outwards. 107 floors,the up draft is so huge that hardly dense smoke would have appeared---the floors were loaded with diesel fuel. Only way,the ratd will be exposed and truth out is to kidnap--Larry Silverstein and Rudy Jualanie and Marvin Bush---water board the scums,video them and release the admission of guilt. Americans are not stupid--they know it was an ionside job--they stick to the government bullsh!t--not to get envolved. 1776 was a waste of effort--look who took over since then--going to get worse--better learn Yiddish


Fred J February 4, 2012 12:07 pm (Pacific time)

What else have they done? 9/11, US and Israel: http://www.amazon.com/America-Deceived-II-Possession-interrogation/dp/1450257437


Jin February 4, 2012 10:39 am (Pacific time)

Excellent! Spread the words far and wide!


Jin February 4, 2012 10:37 am (Pacific time)

Excellent! Spread the words far and wide!


Michael Rivero February 4, 2012 8:38 am (Pacific time)

A not-very-subtle warning by the Israeli controlled press that the US Government better start hurling American babies onto Iranian bayonets or Israel will blow the lid off of 9-11!


Nadine Vesel April 1, 2010 10:28 am (Pacific time)

Tim King: I'm amazed that you could implicate Israel and not the US (so called neocons probably utilizing CIA black ops guys). Clearly the warmongers who've wanted to invade Iraq all along benefited from an excuse to do so as did the whole military-industrial complex with our use of their war toys and personnel in Afghanistan as well. Come on now. It's just stupid to blame mossad and exonerate the U.S. And what about the cover-up? Did mossad effect that too?

Tim King: Nadine, I in no way mean to exonerate the U.S.  I think it is wise to consider past actions and to not quickly dismiss what appears to be an established trail.  Regardless of how and who, let's consider that it is a particular group, not a national policy.  Not the fault of the people of the U.S. or Israel, but possibly an interwoven set who all have a particular interest.  It sounds like your mind is open, I hope all of us are able to learn more about what really happened in the future.  If you want to know about the trail of events that very easily could connect Israel, please read this article: Mar-20-2010: Operation Cyanide and Israel's Role in 9/11 - Tim King Salem-News.com.


Hollywoodian badArab Guy March 20, 2010 10:44 am (Pacific time)

The point that reveals the impossibility of the official sotry is WTC#7 that collapsed 7 hours after the south tower got hit. We have 2 planes and 3 towers collapsed all of them owned by Silverstein business partner of Nataneyahu. Also many Mossad spies were caught celebrating and high fiving while the towers collapsed, while asked they repplied ;``the palestinians are your enemies, not us``. Who knew at this time that anything would have happened and being able to point out the finger to a culprit.


Josh Akers March 1, 2010 9:26 pm (Pacific time)

Guess what, Anonymous, Even before Tim weighed in on your BS... I knew. I wont say what I know. I will allow you to know that all my contacts are from OPEN SOURCE information. Just to allow you to know that amateurs can analyze intelligence. I am up-front and forthcoming. Delta force with no gun. They carry the guns that protect my life, and I carry the words that send them to a worthy cause. I have a very good idea who you are, though, I have a very good idea of what 'agency' you are part of or contracted from. I feel privileged to be verbally attacked by your propaganda. It feels like a badge of honor for me! Thank you. Oh, make sure you put my name down someplace special, I'm sure to be back to chat!


Anonymous March 1, 2010 6:39 pm (Pacific time)

Josh you seem to have really deep feelings about this, but it's evidence that we need. Many of those who think the U.S. was behind this have no evidence, and then there are those who want to say Bush was involved, but the flight training timeline and the political events prior to Bush getting the primary nomination completely destroys that scenario. But the Bush haters will not give up, they have tied everything to him and Cheney, not realizing what the majority of Americans know, is that these two people kept us safe and now we are no longer safe because we have professional campaigners in office, not those who know how to govern. This was an act of war my radical muslims, and in the fullness of time even they will know that God is not on their side, that is if they survive. I guess it's really hard to give up hate, because it may be something else besides hate that causes people to pursue their "Moby Dick."

Editor: Be it known: this is a government shill who is on the GOP payroll.  It constantly trolls our site and tries to post under different names, because that is the only party that has any interest in desperately trying to drive the old story home, when it is obvious to anyone who pays attention, that the story was fully unraveled early on.  There is almost NOTHING in the government account that stands to the test.  I knew when they miraculously 'found' the alleged hijacker's (half of whom it has been proven are alive and well and were not on any plane on 9/11)  passports, that they had crossed fully into a fiction zone that they could never walk out of intact.  I left this up just because I find it almost entertaining, especially the "my radical muslims" part.  I'd call that a Freudian slip, but you know...    


Josh A. March 1, 2010 4:18 am (Pacific time)

This debate seems to be falling too much into party lines, instead of who actually did this and why. It doesn't matter if Clinton, Bush, or your own Mother perpetrated this crime, they should be exposed and executed. There are very many of us who are looking at scientific evidence that shows us that this story has not yet been told. We are not done. The 9/11 commission report is a paperweight, and not even a good one. I could feel the lies beaming out of the book just simply holding it, inside the bookstore. Hell no I didn't buy it. I read commentary about it, though. It really makes me cringe when you so called Americans actually denounce a patriotic mind, questioning our government and our allies governments. You sound like a bunch of Chinese Communists who are afraid of dishonoring the great Mao.


Conrad Byrnes February 27, 2010 7:42 am (Pacific time)

Below is a link to the offical 911 Commission report that provides considerable info on the 9/11 terrorist conspiracy timeline, including when info was verified about when these terrorists' were engaged in flight training for their act of war, which began during the Clinton Administration. Also at this time, Bush was a candidate for president, but was not expected to win the primary, so his connection as part of this conspiracy would be nonsensical in my opinion, but then, anyone can have an opinion. The 911 report is really the only offical documentation I have found on this matter, maybe there are other sources? http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch7.htm


Deb Frisch February 26, 2010 11:36 am (Pacific time)

I'm 100% behind this article!!! I'm also 100% behind in my car payments, rent, and credit card bills.


Anonymous February 26, 2010 11:22 am (Pacific time)

As far as the Bush family not allowing Gore to win, that is quite an allegation, and it really impacts your conspiracy theory. Gore just needed to win his home state to win the 2000 election. Even Arkansas went against him. So the Bush family also set up some fraud in these states also? Gore got more of the popular vote because voters stayed home after they saw the networks call it for Bush. 2004 was not even close in Florida. If your theory hinges on Bush being behind the 9/11 attack, then you really need to look at the timeline of events prior to the attack and what happened after. It is common knowledge that NSA director Sandy Berger on two different occasions cancelled the taking out of Osama. That Jamie Gorelick, 2nd in command at the Justice Department constructed the walls that cut off sharing of info from our different intelligence agencies. Then let's not forget Sandy Berger stuffing secret documents into his clothing just prior to his 911 Commision testimony that Jamie Gorelick was on. It seems that if you want to have a conspiracy that showed some strong connections, then it was those in the Clinton Administration. Of course all those witnesses who saw the jet crash into the Pantagon and the aircraft controller tapes that also showed it, would be pulling in many other people to join that alleged conspiracy by the Bush Administration, which would be a certain death penalty. Thousands of people would have to be involved, not to mention all those who were on the plane manifests would be, where? Fantasy Island? The 911 Commision report which can be accessed online shows the time tables with the hijackers and that they were doing their initial training before Bush took office. Frankly it was a terrorist attack and there is no conspiracy, and evidence that you think you have is simply supposition that has been reviewed by scientists in various specialized fields that have clearly refuted it. Ask Alex Jones how being a 912 Truther worked out for him in the Obama Administration. How many people do you think were involved with your so-called conspiracy? Now that would be really interesting, it would make you need to really refine your theories, and of course, this would be were the rubber meets the road.


Darm February 26, 2010 9:31 am (Pacific time)

Boy, you guys sure nailed it - the Jews did it! Makes perfect sense for Israel to influence their closest ally to further aid them in the struggle against their sworn enemies the PLO, Hamas, Syria, and Iran. How did they accomplish this? By framing Saudis working with Afghanis so that the U.S. would invade Iraq - duh! What plan did they come up with? Why, an extremely convoluted, labor and money intensive, mega-precise, could-be-exposed-at-any-moment-by-one-dude-with-a-cell-phone-or-camera operation to murder thousands of citizens in the one country that prevents their enemies from slitting every Israeli man, woman and child's throat, of course!
Yes, Mr. King, you and Dr. Alan Sabrosky have truly cracked this case wide open.

Tim King: You can write like a little smart ass and attempt to throw your little pebbles at our criticism of Israel's deadly inhumane policies toward its neighbors.  You throw around the word 'Jew' as if we do the same, yet you know we don't.  You also know that Dr. Sabrosky and I are right, along with millions of others in the world who are putting two and two together.  You actually think that you are funny, but you are playing with fire and your hands are drenched in the blood of innocents.  Have a nice day.   


Osotan; February 26, 2010 8:52 am (Pacific time)

who has benefitted from 9/11?


James February 26, 2010 7:24 am (Pacific time)

I don't need to read someone's opinion on this issue, Farmer himself has made his viewpoint abundantly clear. Why should I take someone else's opinion over his own words? That is idiotic. Even David Ray Griffin, the high priest of the 9/11 truth movement has attacked Farmer for not buying into his kooky theories. http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/12/are-you-ready-to-rumble.html Acting like Farmer supports your theories is completely dishonest.


ConsDemo February 26, 2010 3:39 am (Pacific time)

As with most conspiracy theorists, there is a lot of quote mining. "For more information, see http://www.PatriotsQuestion911.com" Wes Clark DOES NOT believe the this country attacked itself on 9/11. However, conspiracy theorists will do anything slander this country and that includes taking quotes out of context from others.


James February 25, 2010 8:28 pm (Pacific time)

This article was extremely dishonest and patently offensive. Over 300 firefighters died fighting the fires at the twin towers, to act like only a few of them could have put out fires raging over half a dozen floors is idiotic and offensive to their memories. And to pretend that John Farmer believes "that the official version is almost entirely untrue" is completely dishonest. In fact to quote Mr. Farmer:  John Farmer- Well, let me just say that I think the [9-11 Commission] report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found.

Tim King: Idiotic?  You have jerk-like tendencies and any bozo who rallies to believe in anything that jackass Bush said is just as non-credible as they get.  I didn't say anything about the 300, you have no idea how I feel about it, so don't blab your way through here with unfounded insinuations that could not be more untrue.  Go read Gordon Duff's article, that's why I added a link to it Mr. Smarty Pants.  Your incredible sheeplike view is the only insult to those firefighters, and police, and civilians who died that day, or did you forget about them...


Hank Ruark February 25, 2010 3:43 pm (Pacific time)

Alan M.: Thank you for that sensible, sensitive, insightful and very revealing compendium re strong voices with right to speak on this issue. Was aware of some/of/same, but due to files-chaos in clearance already overdue could not find mine own accumulated working file on this now-becoming obvious situation. Your comment is in strong contrast with its accent on information to some we see reflecting only passing ego satisfaction in getting to sign something --ANYthing !!-- oublicly... Re Bush/Cheney, details will in time emerge, probably from same sources as you cite, with political ties tied tightly to other behaviors now deemed a matter for international justice by many.


Hank Ruark February 25, 2010 3:35 pm (Pacific time)

Mike: You wrote: "The hijackers were going through flight school lessons long before Bush became president." Somehow that timing seems a bit off to me...can you please cite evidence, documentation or link to other statement than your unadorned personal comment ? From other comments you've signed, this seems solid habit with you; here we seek to show "see with own eyes" links to provide objective check via someone with authoritative tie to actuality. btw, do you have any special experience, such as Tim has already cited, to qualify you for any statement re what has surely now become special - knowledge/oriiented issue, reopened via classical contradictions as so well cited in the report itself ? If you are so qualified, tell us details, to bolster what small remnant remains of your original credibility, granted all here until they show color otherwise...


Alan Miller February 25, 2010 2:39 pm (Pacific time)

In addition to architects and engineers, many senior veterans of the U.S. Intelligence Services don't believe the official story of the World Trade Center's destruction. - William Christison, Former Director of Regional and Political Analysis, CIA, "The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them. A plane did not hit Building 7 of the Center, which also collapsed. All three were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings before 9/11." - Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine, Former Commanding General US Army Intelligence, "They didn't fall down because airplanes hit them. They fell down because of explosives went off inside. Demolition." - Terrell Arnold, Former Deputy Director of Counter-terrorism, US State Dept., "I'm not satisfied by the notion that planes hitting buildings constructed as these would have caused them to collapse. The last building to fall was not even attacked. ... The chances of two buildings of that height and structure merely collapsing in their own footprint are extremely slim." - Ray McGovern, Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, "I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 report is a joke." (NIE's are the consensus report of all US Intelligence Services and according to the CIA "are the Intelligence Community’s most authoritative written judgments on national security issues.") For more information, see http://www.PatriotsQuestion911.com


Mike February 25, 2010 10:03 am (Pacific time)

The hijackers were going through flight school lessons long before Bush became president. It was expected that Al Gore was ging to win the presidency back in the day, I just cannot see how you can associate Bush or people close to him as being involved in some conspiracy as this. Do you think he was involved in the 1993 bombing attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 during the Clinton Administration? Considering that attack, it would not have taken any major planning as the one on 9/11 obviously took, maybe you are looking at the wrong people?

Editor: And maybe we're looking at the right people.  Clinton had nothing to do with it.  The Bush family never intended to allow Gore to win. 


Josh A. February 24, 2010 8:59 pm (Pacific time)

That is very encouraging to see even a snippet of mainstream coverage. We want the truth. I do not let my television or a news website do my thinking for me. When you are seeking only the truth with no obstructions of loyalty, you can't deny a coverup. I am not loyal to political parties. I am loyal to the people of my country. God bless, and goodwill to the soldiers and marines who have to face the results of this event in person. They put their life on the line regardless of who-dunnit. I respect that, but I don't want my countrymen dying for a false flag op EVER. Great piece, one of the best in my view, Tim.


Osotan; February 24, 2010 6:32 pm (Pacific time)

keep on going S-N!. These are the lies our leaders perpetuated thinking we are children, as if we couldn't tell an explosion when we heard or saw it. The governments story is the biggest "conspiracy theaory" out there. They allowed the deaths and planned this for years.,trial runs included. Box cutters and hijacked airliners? I've got some Rolex watches for sale.,cheap!,trust me!


Anonymous February 24, 2010 6:11 pm (Pacific time)

Maybe you should try get elected officals here in Oregon to get on your side of the conspiracy. I wonder why none of them in congress or the whitehouse have not gotten on board?

TIm King: I think it is simply too much for people to put their minds around.  By coincidence, as a Marine, I worked on the flightline at MCAS El Toro for years refueling fighter, and analyzing jet fuel.  As an adult I have climbed mountains all over the west coast for years to document and photograph airplane crash sites, mostly for news reports, and by coincidence, I have a friend who scraps 757's in China for a living who can offer any amount of insight into the design of that plane and its temperments and the melting temperatures of the various components.  Plus, I am a very curious news reporter.  These are the reasons I have invested a great deal of time researching this.  As to your question, I let my jaded side speak; we recently published a story about a Marine Colonel who was Murdered after discovering that C-130's were running large amounts of illegal drugs through his base, El Toro.  Every possible element, from the crime scene to the autopsy, to the threats against his life made just before his death, scream 'Murder' but the government refuses to revisit the glaringly obvious miscarraige of justice.  If they can't do that, I can't see them having the fortitude to take on such an unpopular subject as the 9/11 controversy.  They have existing grounds to criminally charge Bush, but there must be a silent rule against making either he or Dick accountable.  I guess that is the long answer to your question, but the various Oregon legislators certainly read these pages, so perhaps your suggestion will reach them.  Thanks for your comment.   


Daniel Johnson February 24, 2010 6:07 pm (Pacific time)

This is a can of worms that even worms don't want to touch.

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