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Hosts Come Close to Blows on FOX TV (VIDEO)

It wasn't your average day on TV, even for the FOX network, and while punches didn't fly and chairs did not sail, it makes the viewer wonder what is happening as it quickly spirals out of control.

FOX network hosts Geraldo Rivera and Bill O'Reilly
FOX network hosts Geraldo Rivera and Bill O'Reilly

(NEW YORK, N.Y.) - An extraordinary shouting match broke out between FOX network hosts Geraldo Rivera and Bill O'Reilly this week. It began after O'Reilly singled out a fatal drunk driving incident in Virginia and attributed the problem to the offender's immigration status.

They were talking about Alfredo Ramos, a man charged with manslaughter and suspected of being drunk when his car crashed into another in Virginia Beach one week ago. Two teenaged girls were killed. Ramos, a Mexican who has been in the United States seven years, allegedly entered the country illegally.

O'Reilly said he had a record and should have been deported, with one DUII and two other contacts with law enforcement. "This never would have happened if that were the case" he said.

With a mutually increasing tempo and noise level, Rivera told O'Reilly that the problem was the DUII, and accused the other FOX host of being behind a cheap political trick.

O'Reilly and Rivera both tried to calm the air but at the same time seemed to increase their attacks on the other's point of view.

It wasn't your average day on TV, even for the FOX network, and even though punches didn't fly and chairs did not sail, it makes the viewer wonder what is happening as it quickly spirals out of control.

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Needles April 16, 2007 8:10 am (Pacific time)

I'm a big fan of O'Reilly, as are millions of others. Those of you who dislike him, probably never watch his show (top rated cable show, largest audience) or have read any of his best-selling books (millions sold). He has been demonized by just about everyone, but still is on top. What's that they say about his detractors? Well, it means they themselves have been marginalized by trying to marginalize him...ironic? No just what happens to uninformed people who play follow the leader, not knowing where they be going. Rivera, well he's got no big audience or big book sales, he's simply a drama king. When one attempts to marginalize via non-verbal communication techniques, it says a lot about those people.


JAFO; April 14, 2007 5:46 pm (Pacific time)

O'Reilly, if you mean "Agrippa", I wash my hands of it!


O'Reilly April 14, 2007 9:16 am (Pacific time)

JAFO. Get a grip.


JAFO; April 13, 2007 7:04 pm (Pacific time)

O'Rielly.,I'm not making it up, it's in the new testament's rendition of what are called the gospels, in churchified circles, the first four stories,as in Matthew.,Mark ,Luke and John, misleadingly conservative names, and each have many direct quotes,references etc.,concerning Rome., (according to authors recollection), and a few other interesting items as well, but don't take my word for it, go look it up. I am nearly certain you know this already but mainly wanted to irritate you. Shalom of course, in the Dangerfield genre. Are you really a rascist?


JAFO; April 13, 2007 7:03 pm (Pacific time)

O'Rielly.,I'm not making it up, it's in the new testament's rendition of what are called the gospels, in churchified circles, the first four stories,as in Matthew.,Mark ,Luke and John, misleadingly conservative names, and each have many direct quotes,references etc.,concerning Rome., (according to authors recollection), and a few other interesting items as well, but don't take my word for it, go look it up. I am nearly certain you know this already but mainly wanted to irritate you. Shalom of course, in the Dangerfield genre. Are you really a rascist?


O'Reilly April 13, 2007 12:11 pm (Pacific time)

Liberal is a "Robinhood"? And I'm a racist? My my, you seem to be having a bad day. And Jesus knew what Rome was? Sigh


JAFO; April 12, 2007 8:45 pm (Pacific time)

if O'rielly didn't talk he'd suffer a virtual implosion. The "audience" has taken precedent over content., and remember that Jesus was a liberal, who knew Rome for what it was! Peace!, through progress and intelligence, God must be sick of all of us by now!


Anonymous April 12, 2007 7:10 pm (Pacific time)

You don't even know what a liberal is; it is the robin hood, it is the person that has the balls to not go with the stinking flow. You are another stamped out white racist that confuses war with religion. Nobody here has anything against the military anyway, what were you talking about?


O'Reilly April 12, 2007 5:47 pm (Pacific time)

Our milirary is still the best in the world. Hopefully new allocations of funding will help to enlarge our ground forces. War is coming, and with all the weak scaremongering that we have in the media by deferrment warriors that seem to exist in high concentrations at our major publications, like that Krugman fellow. No wonder the NY Times is having so many problems, they are unable to screen out the bad ones like him and Blair, thus they continue to lose subscribers rather than add subscribers. The country's population is growing but the Times and all the other lefty outfits, including the mainstream television networks are losing audiences. The day of the liberal is going the way of the Do-Do bird...praise the Lord!


Hank Ruark April 9, 2007 4:27 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Further re Arendt-quote, see TIME cover story, headlined "Why Our Army Is At The Breaking Point". Add to NYT re Krugman's "Little Lies".... For some would make no difference if appeared written on clouds-up-there...for others, keep reading here.


HANK RUARK April 9, 2007 3:36 pm (Pacific time)

Do you believe NYTimes and Krugman ? His Sweet Little Lies, current column, ends on this note: "The G.O.P.'s reversion to the Little Lie technique is a symptom of political weakness, of a party reduced to trivial smears because it has now nothing else to offer. But the technique will remain effective - and the U.S. political scene will remain ugly - as long as many people in the news media keep playing along." (4/9/07 NYT.)


Hank Ruark April 9, 2007 3:11 pm (Pacific time)

To all: Here's one to cogitate over from a world-famed writer: "Politically speaking, tribal nationalism [patriotism] always insists that its own people are surrounded by 'a world of enemies' - 'one against all' - and that a fundamental ifference exists between this people and all others. It claims its people to be unique, individual, incompatible with all others, and denies theoretically the very possibility of a common mankind long before it is used to destroy the humanity of man." -Hannah Arendt, The Origins Of Totalitarianism p.227 ===


Hank Ruark April 9, 2007 2:51 pm (Pacific time)

R-C: Admire audacity of "kind words", always appreciated --but you, sir, have been now directly challenged six times and still hide-face and agenda. For me, I confine self now to 3-shot with each perpetrator, so thanks much but GOODby...caps intentional.


AhhhhhhhhSooooooooooo April 9, 2007 2:45 pm (Pacific time)

Just be glad when there are no more countries. Separate countries are a primitive concept. Maybe it is the Yankees time to clean a Chinese toilet for 2 cents an hour and a daily beating.


Retired Contractor April 9, 2007 2:35 pm (Pacific time)

Hank no doubt you have solid experience in a lot of area's. I know many people like you throughout the age spectrum. Happy trails...


Hank Ruark April 9, 2007 2:23 pm (Pacific time)

To To: (!) Yes,also Halliburton shipping out to operations-zone, where many thousands of contractors now work (and die !) to support U.S. forces via privatizing our national security. Has its contract-format advantages, even though hardly democratic-security protocol. Last hard-head here had just come off that work. Wonder if "R-C" has any connection ? We may never know, which shapes his credibilities for any thinking person.


Post Script April 9, 2007 2:17 pm (Pacific time)

You will all have to get used to speaking Spanish, German, French, Japanese and a few other languages because these people are paying for ownership of land and endless things with their strong currency. Forget the hamburgers and start enjoying the Sushi because that is how it is and that is how it is going to stay! Historically we have owned Canada for decades. Why isn't turn about fair play. What's wrong with more Mosques than Churches? You got something against Islam? Step outside!


To: Retired April 9, 2007 2:10 pm (Pacific time)

But are you bothered that a group of Middle Eastern investors are discussing taking over Dow Chemical? I do not like globalism but lots of luck trying to change it. There is no more U.S.A. or any country. You may have read about the highway outside of Austin, Texas that is going to be leased to Spain. It is all too late, your nationalism is from a past era. I hate it too but that is the new reality. Try to fight the global multi-billionaires along with the people in our government that allow this.


Hank Ruark April 9, 2007 2:06 pm (Pacific time)

R-C: Well, HI Again...still behind that name-curtain, I note... Re symptoms of psycho-stuff, what's your bkgrnd there ? Happens I have some solid experience in that field, too, but prefer dialog via ID. Most persons who fail to do so have good reason...what's yours ? Surely you have had decent, open treatment here, but do not seem to appreciate that fact nor to understand rules which declare that he who hides identity has hidden agenda revealed with the facts of ID.


Retired Contractor April 9, 2007 12:09 pm (Pacific time)

Rick Hickey you are certainly in agreement with the vast majority of Americans, and Oregonians--ignore those who provide the opposite view, for they have no proof,are they just being silly, or do they have an agenda?! When one takes O'Reilly out of context, as has been done by a number of poster's below, well, we know how objective they are, don't we! O'Reilly is no bigot, but his detractor's, what are they? A lot of Americans and legal residents are dead and injured because of these illegal invaders. Everyday more and more of those on the left are seeing the errors of their ways (faulty assessments) as they or their loved ones become victims of the illegals' criminal behavior. Note: We are all victims of this invasion on a fiscal and quality of life issue(s), nearly 40% of the California correction system is made-up of illegals, and still growing at an astonishing rate, as is the rest of the country, not just the border states. For some, failing to make a distinction between legal and illegal is simply them acting out in a passive/ agressive way. I predict if they were given a personality inventory assessment, many would reflect high sociopathic and narcissistic traits. If you want a more conservative media in the Salem area, be patient, the pendelum will be swinging back to what it once was like here in Oregon, many many years (decades, actually) ago. Also note that our climate will be swinging back to a cooling trend within 3 years. If the last ice age ended 18,000 years ago, what caused it to end? Think Scientific Methodology not emotion. Apply the latter also to the illegal invasion going on, just take out the emotion and apply objective measurements to what is happening to the United States of America by these criminal invaders...the far left people hate it when this is done. They will ignore the data and call you a racist for wanting to see the laws of the land enforced...America was created by it's people, secured by it's people, it belongs to us, it is ours! Don't fall for "we are all immigrants" slogans, for they are made by people who have no concept of just what America is, and they never will...peace, but know how to protect.


Hank Ruark April 9, 2007 8:56 am (Pacific time)

R-H et al: You wrote: "...another FAR LEFt assesment" (your emphasis via caps.) Wise old Ben Franklin wrote, re the Founders, that "We must hang together, or we will surely hang separately". He referred to the "far left"-stance of our Founders, in 18th Century rebellion vs British "royalism". SO what's wrong with "far left"-leanings, NOW ? We surely facing another outbreak of the same basic "royalism", right ?


Hank Ruark April 9, 2007 8:22 am (Pacific time)

R-H et al: "...attributed the problem to the offender's immigration status." Story states accurately what actually happened --for all to "see with own eyes" and hear with own ears, too...did you view video-provided ? If so, then you cannot rationally question feeling of most-here that O'Reilly DID use ethnicity as his reason --which fits well with the definion-involved: "a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own". SO what drives your obvious overstatement re: "...BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS..." ? If you can provide any "fair and balanced" source documenting your public words, please do so ! Freedom to speak involves responsibilities, as does ANY other freedom we possess.


Albert Marnell April 8, 2007 8:13 pm (Pacific time)

Ricky Hickey, When I was in high-school most Americans drove drunk even though it was a stupid thing to do. Do you ever read how many cops get arrested for drunk driving? Go to www.badcopnews.com. If that is the amount reported, imagine the real numbers because we all know they cover for each other and have a us vs. them mentality. On St. Patrick's Day the amount of drunk firefighters and cops (off duty I hope) was off the charts. They generally do not report each other. Leave the friggen immigrants alone. You come from immigrants unless you are Native Indian. You do not know what kind of stuff your ancestors did.


Rick Hickey April 8, 2007 5:37 pm (Pacific time)

POINT IS NOBODY SHOULD BE KILLED BY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN, AND THEY ARE, BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS, BECAUSE PEOPLE MAKE EXCUSES, INSTEAD OUR LAWS SHOULD BE ENFORCED! And they are not. This dirtbag had been arrested before but the high and mighty politicians will NOT let Police hold Illegals until ICE comes. Damn i had hoped that the Statesman-Journal would have some competition, instead we have another FAR LEFt assesment of how O'Reilly is a Bigot (He never mentions race, just immigration status,)Illegal Russians drive drunk sometimes also and WE want them gone too. Can WE get a fair and balance Press in Salem? somebody?


Hank Ruark April 8, 2007 9:21 am (Pacific time)

Vic Gold was Goldwater press chief, one of best in history, close friend of Bush-One, helped write his autobiog. He has new book: "Invasion of the Party-Snatchers: How the Holy-Rollers and the Neo-cons Destroyed the GOP". Can recommend it to those who question realities today as they undoubtedly exist now. Here's best-known,and long best-liked political communicator "telling it true" with no question re "objectivity"...so "see with own eyes" WPost report by Michael Abromowitz, writing as "objectivelY' as possible !.


Hank Ruark April 8, 2007 6:33 am (Pacific time)

B-Rd: Please, Hank here: "Ruark", in that voice-tone, still recalls, for me, my Dad...he was longtime activist, writer in Maine. "Objectivity" is myth in any Opinion-set, by definition openly meant to be persuasive. Jrnlsts long hampered even in news-reports by how minds work, not always by fact-alone as in corporation media now. ALL politics, ALL government and ALL corporate-word very far from objective. Which is why we source stuff here..."see with own eyes" and evaluate for yourself ! That's only realism still reachable in our ostensible "democracy" distorted and perverted by "royalism". AND best possible preserver for what-we-have-left, too !!


Albert Marnell April 7, 2007 11:34 pm (Pacific time)

The irony is that their main goal was to boost ratings and gain visibility. I believe they both have different opinions but in real life they are friends. This was perfectly timed after the Rosie O'Donnell spin. I am sure Ruppert is very happy. This is why I do not watch T.B. and do not even get cable. You should all be studying the reality of the green paper in your wallets created by the private banking consortium called the Federal Reserve which is neither Federal and their is no Reserve. This other mindless stuff is just verbal wrestling. Worry about what your government did in 1913 when they sold the country out to the global bankers.


Milesof BadRoad April 7, 2007 9:37 pm (Pacific time)

Ruark you appear not be hobbled by objectiveness; I heard that is a common trait for the social progressives. Frankly I don't believe O'Reilly is a bigot, in fact just the opposite, though he is a first class annoying jerk, alas, his program does provide a good debate forum. As all these and future posts acknowledge. Geraldo is your typical glib anti-American. Please note that as per the Hispanic Pew Research Center, they found that approximately 80% of all hispanics born in the U.S. , including those that served in the military, consider themselves as something other than American. Geraldo is one of those people you give a whole bunch of rope to and let him run...clear thinker's know what he is. For a while the U.S. Military had him 86ed from embedding with our warriors. FOX network is brilliant by giving him so much air time, so more and more people can see how dangerous our domestic environment has really become.


Hank Ruark April 7, 2007 7:43 pm (Pacific time)

Miles: Read every-word of almost all Comments as sure-check on self-and views... Yrs here solid, convincing, good points --points up those complexities I mentioned. Immigration enforcement has been a scandal for decades, with connivance of employers seeking many low-cost workers; historically, clear back to Italians et al in 1850s and on. Appreciate your data, better than mine (from memory) --but social, economic driving forces are unchanged, still controlling. Point re O'Reilly was-and-is same--using irrelevant ethnic reference for political gain, leading only to further hate and multiplied difficulties. We must do better than that. "...plenty of Americans to fill low-wage jobs if employers pay more and treat workers better; just 15 percent said there are not enough Americans for such jobs


Miles April 7, 2007 5:50 pm (Pacific time)

Yes Tim, O'Reilly is certainly a pompous ass, to put it mildly. I record quite a number of programs on the cable news channels, try to see as many as possible and try to hear as many sides of the suject Du Jour of the day, so to speak. Needless to say I find myself fast forwarding most of the recordings. For some reason O'Reilly has the largest audience, way beyond his nearest competitor. My wife is Spanish, she was born in the states, but raised primarily in Mexico City. The vast majority of her family, and those hispanics in her social orbit simply want to see the immigration laws enforced and to start a more comprehensive prosecution of those who hire illegals. I would like to point out that in Arizona last election cycle where some high profile republicans lost, the state still overwhelmingly passed tough anti-illegal measures. The democratic governor is essentially going against the majority opinion as per her stalling around. Maybe the change in congress had nothing to do with the house republicans stand on immigration [see below Zogby data], but a variety of other issues. Uno, I really can't stand O'Reilly, like looking at a car wreck, what's coming up next on his program? He does cover some interesting subjects, I guess that's why the show is so popular. The below is for Ruark. It's an extract, but if you google illegal immigration polls, you have data that essentially looks like the following: "– A new Zogby poll of likely voters, using neutral language (see wording on following pages), finds that Americans prefer the House of Representatives’ enforcement-only bill by 2-1 over Senate proposals to legalize illegal immigrants and greatly increase legal immigration. The poll was conducted for the Center for Immigration Studies. On immigration generally, Americans want less, not more, immigration. Only 26 percent said immigrants were assimilating fine and that immigration should continue at current levels, compared to 67 percent who said immigration should be reduced so we can assimilate those already here. Support for the House approach was widespread, with 81 percent of Republicans, 72 percent of independents, 57 percent of Democrats, and 53 percent of Hispanics saying it was good or very good idea. There were few groups in which a majority supported the Senate plan, even when presented by itself, exceptions included Hispanics 62 percent of whom said it was a good or very good idea and the most liberal voters (progressives) 54 percent of whom approved of it. When given three choices (House approach, Senate approach, or mass deportation), the public tends to reject both the Senate plan and a policy of mass deportations in favor of the House bill; 28 percent want the Senate plan, 12 percent want mass deportations; while 56 percent want the House approach. But when given a choice between just the House and Senate approaches, without the choice of mass deportations, the public prefers the House approach 64 percent version to 30 percent. One reason the public does not like legalizations is that they are skeptical of need for illegal-immigrant labor. An overwhelming majority of 74 percent said there are plenty of Americans to fill low-wage jobs if employers pay more and treat workers better; just 15 percent said there are not enough Americans for such jobs. Ruark if you have read this far, then, there you go. Have a good one. Another reason the public does not like Senate proposals to legalize illegals and double legal immigration is that 73 percent said they had little or no confidence in the ability of the government to screen these additional applicants to weed out terrorists and criminals. Public also does not buy the argument we have tried and failed to enforce the law: 70 percent felt that past enforcement efforts have been "grossly inadequate," while only 19 percent felt we had made a "real effort" to enforce our laws.


Hank Ruark April 7, 2007 3:08 pm (Pacific time)

Miles et al: HOW do you KNOW O'Reilly "reflects vast majority" ? That may be your feeling, but where's documentation ? Last election seems to say "Uh-uh!"; see count in Congress. Only thing more dangerous than generalities without proof is labeling one another "liberal" or otherwise...most persons combine some-of-both, if allowing common sense to prevail...per social-side vs economic-side. ONLy GOP has 100-yr. history of attack-till death, brought on by internal-party revolt in T. Roosevelt days, when his action threw election to Wilson, sabotaging Taft. See http://hnn.us.roundup/entries/37331.


Hank Ruark April 7, 2007 2:48 pm (Pacific time)

Tim's last makes clear face-images at stake --but key here is the VIDEO ! I sense some did NOT critically view it, which if done with open mind cannot but indicate faults on both sides, but less-so for Rivera, making point re realities. I agree with Tim where the bigotry lies here..and believe the video so portrays this painful incident for "the media".


Hank Ruark April 7, 2007 2:44 pm (Pacific time)

NO disagreement about mess made of immigration laws...but question here is NOT that, but irrelevant emphasis on alien status --Rivera's point. Immigration-law failure is deep, complex social issue, while DUI is simple: It is invitation to murder. That's why c-analysis shows results as reported, with final answer demanding we do something re causes of social -economic motivations driving the border invasion, surely a fact of life -- both ways !


Miles togo April 7, 2007 2:43 pm (Pacific time)

WHAT really offended me about Geraldo, is when he said it was the USA's fault that illegal's were here, because "we lured them here." The "illegal" that was being discussed was "illegal!" FYI, O'Reilly's opinion in his discussion on his program reflects the vast majority of Americans, and many become a lot more emotional than O'Reilly became on this program. Regardless of what people may think, government statistics for crimes and just about everything else that is measured is generally broken down racially/ethnically. So since we have been discussing an illegal hispanic, here is some of that data in just a few locations: Of 3,007 drunken driving arrests in 2002, 43 percent involved Hispanic men, even though they make up only about 11 percent of Austin's driving population. Including women, Hispanics made up 47 percent of the DWI arrests but only 21 percent of Austin drivers. …Statewide, 42 percent of the people arrested in 2002 for driving while intoxicated were Latino, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety. In Austin, 46 percent of the people arrested for drunk driving from 1999 to 2002 were Latino, according to the Austin Police Department. The impact of illegal Hispanic aliens on the law-abiding Hispanic portion of the DWI statistics is mostly unknown but it is probably sizable and giving the Hispanic community a bad reputation.


Tim King April 7, 2007 2:31 pm (Pacific time)

Miles, thank you very much. I probably shouldn't have used those images, hindsight is always so clear. I admit that I am no fan of O'Reilly's and I do personally think he is a bigot. I say this having been raised in an almost completely Hispanic part of Los Angeles. I responded better to "white boy" most of the time than my own name. But at the same time most of my friends were Mexican-American and I absorbed that culture just as I did my own. So, I look at O'Reilly who I agree is the one speaking on behalf of "the letter if the law" and I see a pompous ass that is a media bully. Rivera is full of faults, and a joke to many people, but if we are "taking sides" which I suppose is inevitable, then I would be hard pressed to back the guy who is "after people" over their immigration status, when the crime was drunk driving.

My personal turning point with Bill O'Reilly was his false accusation of U.S. soldiers in WWII "murdering unarmed SS guards." The situation was Malmedy, and it was around the time of the Battle of the Bulge.

Here is O'Reilly's exact quote from May 30th during an interview with General Wesley Clark...

“In Malmedy, as you know, U.S. forces captured SS forces who had their hands in the air, and they were unarmed, and they shot them down,” O’Reilly's statement refers to the Belgian town of Malmedy, which was fought over during the Battle of the Bulge. “You know that. That’s on the record, been documented. In Iwo Jima, the same thing occurred. Japanese attempted to surrender, and they were burned in their caves.”

But O’Reilly’s historical certainty was astonishingly misplaced. First, at Malmedy, the atrocity on December 17th, 1944, was the other way around: about 86 surrendering U.S. soldiers were massacred by German SS panzer forces in one of the most notorious war crimes on the Western Front.

I’m sorry, but is there time in life to ever talk about any problems that involve WWII, death and Nazi’s. I have no time for it, and I strongly resent it as a veteran, and as a supporter of those who served in WWII. Here is the article that these quotes came from: salem-news.com/articles


Allen April 7, 2007 2:08 pm (Pacific time)

I'm always amazed when a person being an Illegal Alien automaticaly becomes an ethnic issue. But then, is not the Safety Corridor on Hwy 99E an Illegal Alien problem? Yes, the choice of pics tells much.


Miles togo April 7, 2007 1:10 pm (Pacific time)

I saw the exchange and had prior knowledge (it was prefaced on the show prior to the exchange!) that this communication would be about an illegal alien who had skirted our immigration laws repeatedly. Shock! Rivera is a shill for the open borders crowd, he does not like our laws. FOX network gives him his own show, he is not muzzeled. Clear evidence that the "Fair and Balanced" slogan is accurate, at least for him and liberals like Alan Colmes. Please note that illegal aliens, since we went into Iraq 4 years ago have been involved in over 30,000 deaths ranging from murder (over 3,000 murder warrants from California alone for illegals as per 2006, essentially hispanics) to drunken driving. If our immigration laws were being enforced these people would be alive, and maybe some would be posting on this site today. Maybe even two Nuns here in Oregon who were raped and murdered a while back by illegals would also be posting. Appears Hank Ruark makes his analysis out of context. This is unfortunate. It shows why we have more and more people who are at best mis-informed, then exposing the enhanced problem of becomeing ill- informed. One last thing, clearly O'Reilly was on the right side of the argument, that is as long as you believe in our country's laws, regardless if they're being enforced. If you don't like the laws we have, just ignore them like Rivera does, then we know what side your on re: their heated discussion. Thanks for putting this video on your site Tim, it was a good thing to do.


Hank Ruark April 7, 2007 10:08 am (Pacific time)

So just watched video-above for second time; saw original event, too. NOW have applied standard "content analysis" techniques to video/audio: Bigotry indicated via use of immigration component by Reilly when story basically DUI, with no possible cause from status of immigrant possible to determine. THAT separate issue here, as was "Bernstein" Comment in another-one here recently -- only reason-used to obfuscate issue, by injecting irrelevant political-feeling -- i.e., "belly-button" vs rational, reasonable as dialog intends. For me Rivera called-strike on Reilly, right on-air, with conviction, true courage, commitment to jrnlstic ethic.


Hank Ruark April 7, 2007 9:18 am (Pacific time)

Starting-point on this study goes 'way back, to Dr. Jurger Roesch's "Therapeutic Communication", 1961 (!), long a classic in communications research. Adding this to ensure y'all know serious nature of Comment in public channel, esp. if you feel you MUST hide behind odd-name.


Hank Ruark April 7, 2007 8:55 am (Pacific time)

Serious psychologists are studying why Comments take shape they do, in new channels like this. Here we have some clinical samples. Anyone who saw the original confrontation must admire Tim's solid version here. NO writer-today has ANY chance of satisfying-all; so pay your sub and read --and perhaps even learn !


Janet Nelson-Smith April 7, 2007 7:58 am (Pacific time)

This "news" article is awfully biased pro-Rivera and anti-O'Reilly just based on the photos of each journalist. Rivera is a smiling publicity still while O'Reilly is a candid out-of-focus shot of him with mid-speak mouth distortion. How can I take the ariticle seriously?


Anonymous April 7, 2007 7:56 am (Pacific time)

Who cares if your political views are right wing, left wing or middle of the road. So what if O'Reilly and Rivera got out of control-it makes for interesting viewing no matter what television station they are on. What matters is: 2 girls lost their lives when hit by a drunk driver. The real issue here is: families are grieving over their loss. The alleged drunk driver, no matter what his ethnic background is, needs to have justice served for his crime.


JAFO and agt. 009 2/3; April 6, 2007 10:47 pm (Pacific time)

and furthermore it's your fault Mr. King!,I mean, isn't it clear?, you may be in danger of becoming..,a Fox Basher!.,I can see it as a logo on your "company store" products page! Not a bad idea really. You heard it here first people! Warning! Tim King, (a.k.a. Sgt. Fox Basher), on verge of secretly renditioning the entire Fox-non-News Cabal for interrogation over Afghanistan!, only no one thinks their worth anything reward wise, so it's said to be a private matter. More, or less perhaps.,later.


JAFO; April 6, 2007 10:06 pm (Pacific time)

it would have been over the first punch, they both get paid by the same corporation, and I hate them both, they ought to be in Iraq with no enterage, two fat faces in flak jackets and no one listening.


Tim King April 6, 2007 9:50 pm (Pacific time)

So you think this wasn't newsworthy or interesting? How do you conclude that this is left leaning? I just returned from covering the war in Afghanistan and people say I am right leaning over that. It must be easy to just throw out labels, I hope it makes you feel better, even if you're a Canadian. Tim King, Salem-News.com


troy April 6, 2007 9:46 pm (Pacific time)

You are very left wing leaning and this is comeing form a Canadaian. At least bill has people to argue both sides.

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