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Hazel April 4, 2011 10:59 am (Pacific time)

Uri, Yes, let's get to the truth about who is or isn't a reporter. The minions of the mainstream media not only aren't reporters but they are complicit in the death of millions. The zionist mafia has succeeded in their atrocities only because ignorant self-absorbed americans listened to, and actually believed the lies these "reporters" told them. Reporters? No way. More like useful idiots, brainwashers, or mind control specialists at best. True reporters are Tim King who speak the truth. He's worth his weight in gold and the lackeys you slurp the ignorant vomit of need to be ousted for good, along with the terrorist jewish mafia they support. If mass media was composed of only ethical truthful reporters we wouldn't be in the mess we are and committing atrocities around the globe. Thank you Tim King and all the real reporters of Salem-News.

Paul April 4, 2011 8:52 am (Pacific time)

You write: Uri, people aren't supposed to 'go back' on their words, there is a distinct lack of integrity and honor tied to that.
As in most other things you write you are misguided. This is partly because Goldstone did not exactly go back on what he'd said - there is still considerable criticism of Israel remaining - but mainly because being able to change your mind is a sign of flexibility and honesty. The inability to change your mind is indicative of the rigidity of those with mental health problems.

Tim King: 'Mental health problems' eh? Well I wouldn't be surprised by that at all, but many of us call this phenomena you refer to as 'adherence to truth'. You should look it up, as you indirectly try to weasel in a supportive comment for Israel's genocide of human beings. That makes you a monster, and I'd personally rather be mental than monster. Did I mention that you are a monster?

April 3, 2011 11:07 pm (Pacific time)

Awareness of the role and impact of the Israel lobby is growing everywhere. A major contributing factor has been the publication of The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, an important book by professors Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer. I challenge any caring American to read this book without feeling shame over the leadership of this country, and disgust over the immorality and corruption of the compliant politicians of both major parties.

Anonymous April 3, 2011 11:16 pm (Pacific time)

Goldstone did not say that his conclusions were all wrong. He said, "If I had known then what I know now, the Goldstone Report would have been a different document." There is not much that can actually be drawn by this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/reconsidering-the-goldstone-report-on-israel-and-war-crimes/2011/04/01/AFg111JC_story.html

Tim King: Thanks, it is important to note that the UN was actually part of Israel's target selection. They are well aware and investigators including Goldstone learned about the tragedy first-hand and their report was based on facts. Israel prepared a case, 'released' its findings, and suddenly Goldstone has no choice but to capitulate. The Samouni family's story is detailed in the links attached to this story with videos on that all filed in recent weeks. They were selectively slaughtered and their children were murdered; this is only one family. Goldstone didn't suddenly receive evidence that the IDF didn't use white phosphorus, or shoot ambulance drivers, or or or or or or...... So the revision is just pressure from Israel being submitted to. What they did was a thousand times beyond acceptable. So now are they only 99% of that and if so then what? Israel has to be stopped, taught, instructed in how to act. I get so disgusted by all of this garbage, it is the same as justifying the concentration camps. It is the same as justifying any act that is committed under what is clearly a genocidal program. I am glad to have been given the faculties to understand the most basic human struggles. I wish more people were equally endowed in this way. But thank God we have the mainstream media and WP to work as a bullhorn for Israel, right? This is all enough to drive any sane person mad. Sorry for the rant, it is not directed at you but at the overall point.

Gerry Gee April 3, 2011 10:03 pm (Pacific time)

Now that you've played out your fantasy, try reading what Goldstone said in the Washington Post and then you can have the last crooked word.

Tim King: Man I wish this was a fantasy, of that you are right. The WP is the first article I read. It is an assembled mass of words designed to weaken the support of human rights in Palestine. As another person already referenced, Goldstone has taken tremendous heat from Israel for calling the truth. Has it occurred to any of you yet that this is the same thing as Holocaust denial? Yes, the same thing, revising the events of history. Of course many of us suspect that the six million number is a big blown out, and it doesn't matter to today' Palestinians because dying is dying it can be one or six million, it is just as wrong. Read the names of the Palestinian dead in Alison Weir's recent report and then come back and talk to me. Fantasy? That is a really sick interpretation Gerry.

Anonymous April 3, 2011 7:15 pm (Pacific time)

I lean towards MarkS comment also Tim. But, wisdom does not come from how many articles you write, or what lands you traveled to, it comes from the wisdom of our creator. It is simple, ask for wisdom, it is given without reproach, which means, you dont need a degree, nor traveling experience, nor change of lifestyle, nor how many articles you write (glen beck reaches way more people than you do, and he is an idiot) it simply means ask with an open heart. IMHO, we all need to get on our knees, and ask God for wisdom. Try it, before you go to bed tonight, simply ask. Do it with an open heart, see what happens, I think you will be surprised. No donations, no websites, no propaganda..just ask.,

Tim King: Thanks for the good advice, I believe in Allah or God or whatever people choose to call him, I truly do. My point is always I hope, in keeping with his. I believe I'm sure in the same value system that you do, thanks for dropping by. But do understand that experience has a lot of merit, right? If I wasn't trying to help God I would be somewhere else working for someone else and life could be really great like that on a personal level, it used to be that life for us, we are doing this to help save human beings. Thanks again.

Goyim Slave April 3, 2011 7:13 pm (Pacific time)

After World War II, the old Jewish nation, which had been landless for 2,000 years, was exploiting the confusion and uncertainty of the younger modern nations in an attempt to dominate the world. For over 60 years, the Israeli leadership has gottne more and more brazen and it now terrorizes anyone who counters it. The Zionists think that the endgame has already occurred. However, Israel has overestimated the value of its clout throughout the world and the end result will be the dissolution of Israel and a return of those lands to the people from whom it was stolen. It is unfortunate, but the hatred of the Goyim from Zionists has been the undoing of its nation.

April 3, 2011 6:01 pm (Pacific time)

One has to grant that extraordinarily clever tactics are being used, and that it takes some intelligence or sound instincts to see behind the Jewish facade. But here, too, the jug carries water until it breaks. International Jewry’s attack on the culture and moral order of the world is cleverly concealed, but not cleverly enough so that it cannot be seen through. One must keep at their heels, and give them no rest when they begin to tire. They are virtuosos at the art of transformation. They can appear in a thousand forms, yet are always the same. If one has caught them, they claim injured innocence and send their guard of pity on ahead to beg for mercy. But if one extends them even a finger of pity, they chop the whole hand off.

xexon April 3, 2011 6:29 pm (Pacific time)

Those of us who keep an ear to the rail on this kind of stuff are quite aware that Israel is currently engaged in a massive PR campaign to improve it's image. This report is still valid. The massive amounts of evidence gathered against Israel is valid. It is all that's needed to arrest various members of the Israeli government for crimes against humanity. We need to purge our own government first however, so the charges will stick in international court. x

Uri April 3, 2011 1:55 pm (Pacific time)

That's just the thing Tim. You are not a real reporter.

Tim King: Uri, it is very very clear that you are anti-media to the max. That is what this is about, you hate reporters and belittle veteran reporters without merit and therefore we have your number, you are nothing but a media hater and the objective of your rantings are to bring down truthful analysis of world events. You are a media hater.

Reporters are bound by certain ethics such as objectivity and balance amongst others, neither of which you show.

Tim King: Uri, I have more than 1500 articles published and available on Google from my work covering news in the U.S. and several other countries. You are centering around one article about Israeli politics, hardly a worthy venue for judging my work in an overall manner don't you think? I've been a paid reporter since 1988. Your arguments and points are small-brained and I think you might suffer from something much worse. That however is between you and your doctor.

You are driven by your hate and biases, not by objectivity or factual and fair news reporting.

Tim King: I am driven by the knowledge that Israel has an apartheid government bent on genocide and all of your weak little flutterings are just trash on the side of the road. You can be a hateful genocidal person if you wish, but it is bad for you, it makes you into the person you have become. You are pro Murder and anti-Media, very interesting.

This article is a perfect example. Goldstone was good enough for you when you wanted to bash Israel, but when he goes back on his own words, he is no longer trust worthy and just another Zionist who does what Zionists do.

Tim King: Uri, people aren't supposed to 'go back' on their words, there is a distinct lack of integrity and honor tied to that.

You Tim, are nothing but a cheap and over glorified blogger.

I had been reporting on television and radio for years before I ever went online you silly little media hater. Better luck next time.

MarkS April 3, 2011 1:49 pm (Pacific time)

I'm an Orthodox Jew and can say unequivocally that Zionism is NOT Judaism in any sense or twisting of the religion. It is a movement which has hijacked the religion to justify anything and everything to control the land of Israel. One has to suspend all reality and be completely intellectually dishonest to ignore the obviousness of the killing of innocent men, woman and children by the Zionists and the abject poverty the Palestinians are forced to live in. The above comments are unfortunately examples of the people that are willing to rationalize anything, like Zionists, in order to support this kind of inhumanity.

A Jew cannot support this - unfortunately I've seen many who realize the wrong, but can't bring themselves to accept it and struggle with Zionism. Plain and simple, there is not struggling with Zionism - it was almost universally condemned by ALL Orthodox Jewish leaders pre-1948 and now is condemned by the most religious, unfortunately not as clearly or outspokenly in the past. Zionism is NOT Judaism. The author of the above article is right on the mark (well said!) and it is more than unfortunate that people in the US are ignorant or buy into the nonsense that Israel is just defending themselves - they are the provocateurs and have always been - the Palestinians are of course desperate and angry - no surprises there. Get rid of the State of Israel and Zionism and Jews and Palestinians will live together in peace, as they had done prior to the late 19th century founding of Judaism.

Make no mistake, being Jewish doesn't force me to suspend my understanding of right and wrong - Zionism forces me to express how counter it is to Jewish beliefs - if, for no other reason, then to inform a population who are bombarded with Zionist propaganda here in the US - what reality is. Zionists are in it for the land and control - period - it is has NOTHING to do with Judaism or protecting people.

Tim King: Now that's what I'm talking about... I get so tired of the false accusations against my friends and I of being 'anti-semitic' and 'self-hating Jews' Mark, I appreciate your taking the time to add clarity Brother.

April 3, 2011 8:10 am (Pacific time)

Everyone has to know the Goldstone was put under pressure. Sure, he just decided he made a major mistake in a report that was bound to cause serious impact on his Zionist overlords. Uri, you sound like someone full of urine...

Spartacus April 3, 2011 12:21 pm (Pacific time)

I have seen reports that Hamas and other anti-Israeli groups have chemical weapons. If they are used even on a very small scale, then the world who gets the majority of their info via the Zionist-congtrolled media will not shed a tear when (and they will) Israel lays waste to their enemies in the immediate vicinity of Israel. If Iran provided these WMD's (and they have) they will be back in the stone age via an EMP. Then selective military sorties will finish them off. Those of you who provide aid and comfort to our enemies will be rounded up after the 2012 election. So being a patriot of American values and following the law may be a good idea. For some, it's too late and good riddence.

Editor: First, Hamas does not have chemical weapons, nobody has brought that one up yet but they hasbara has an endless imagination. Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, but there is one rogue country in the Middle east that has them and it is Israel. Threats are the work of cowards and you are fitting the mold right now very well. Israel is an illegal government, Israel will be stopped dead in its tracks by a world that doesn't accept murder and genocide.

Ben April 3, 2011 10:58 am (Pacific time)

Wow.That was quite the rant. I can only hope that the readers of the prestigious Salem News do not confuse this piece with relevant information on the middle east.

Editor: Oh it is relevant, however unpopular the truth man be

Chris T April 3, 2011 9:06 am (Pacific time)

This isn't "criticism" of Israel

Editor Well what to you think it is Chris?

(which I do from time to time when the situation merits),

Very nice of you to consider people suffering genocide from time to time.

this is conspiracy mongering and out-and-out anti-semitism.

No it isn't, it is about Israel's evil immoral politics, and we could care less what religion they are.

Jesus, if this is what pro-Palestinianism has come down to (my colleague is an Israeli Arab and she seconds my sentiments), count me out!

Tim King: I would never ever have counted you in.

TMR April 3, 2011 9:03 am (Pacific time)

That's right, King. You're "playing reporter," but you're really firmly on Team Antisemite. Poor Goldstone. He's no longer a Good Jew. All you've got now is Chomsky. Don't worry - I'm sure the Muslims won't give up their quest for a Jew-free world.

Tim King: Tell that to the people whose lives were touched by our stories, tell it to the AP and the EMA and the other groups that have bestowed my playing with first-place awards. Tell it to the families of the Marines and soldiers I covered in war who praise my work. Tell it to everyone, tell the good people but also tell the liars and the land thieves and the snipers who snuff out the lives of little children by the thousand. Tell it to all of my Jewish friends who would laugh in your silly face over your accusations of 'anti-semitism' when you don't even know what it means. We have by the way, a whole series to educate your small minded self about this stupid ill-placed accusation. The 'victimhood' line and calling people who criticize Israel's murderous politics is not anti-semitism. Here are links just for you, don't say I never gave you anything, right?

First, this an overview of the subject of Zionism:

dolma April 3, 2011 8:40 am (Pacific time)

jordanian king killed more fakestinians in a month, than israel managed in 60 years. but, to "critisize" muslims takes courage. way to go, leftwing "intelectual" ;)

Anonymous April 3, 2011 8:24 am (Pacific time)

That is the way it normally begins. The Zionist Jews are reacting in the usual ways. First they look injured and unjustly persecuted. In the synagogues, the rabbis encourage people to be more careful in public, and to avoid provocative behavior. Then they rent a few respected, but buyable leaders from society, business or religious life to make their case. Their well-paid job is to condemn anti-Semitism as a cultural disgrace that is the result of enemy propaganda. They call for stronger laws against it. The poor Jews whine in public about everything they have done for the country, what wonderful and patriotic citizens they have always been and will continue to be, the important offices they hold, etc. The innocent citizen is persuaded by a flood of words that he must have been mistaken in always seeing Jews behind all major political or economic crimes. Soon they find some high church leader who is ready to condemn anti-Semitism as anti-Christian. By the end, not the Jews, but their enemies are responsible for every national misfortune. Then the game starts all over again.

Mike April 3, 2011 7:56 am (Pacific time)

I was simpatico with this article until the digs on the Republican party. All though I am a registered Independent, once you estrange yourself with literally millions of potential allies, your power become so diluted that you simply offend rather than enlighten. Who listens and tries to understand when you have focused insults hurled at you. Remember it was a far left democrat, LBJ (and his minions), that let Israel get away with the criminal attack on the USS Liberty. Also when you say that Zionists stick together (you are 100% correct and all of recorded history is your evidence), you should then consider who is closely associated and entrenched in the power positions in the Whitehouse. Maybe the writer should try to enlarge your base by reserving the insults for those who deserve them? You already have an uphill climb trying to get sympathy from Americans, a significant percentage who see muslims as their enemy, and that reality goes back over 1000 years of accumulated distrustpassed on from one generation to the next. I have known since my earliest days that the zionists have always been the primary enemy to literally every human on this planet, and I learned that through actual experience.

Tim King: Perhaps good words of advice Mike, I just feel like we have to say what is, but I catch your point.

Uri April 2, 2011 11:21 pm (Pacific time)

Suck it up Timmy Boy. I'm certain that you used the Goldstone Report for your neurotic and relentless bashing of Israel, and now that the reports author admits his mistake, you nevertheless continue your Jew and Israel bashing. Your just a pathetic little man trying to play reporter.

Tim King: Well I said it was too good to be true. It's just another development, nothing changes because right is right and wrong is wrong. Back to playing reporter now.

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